Maturity

[GagaTheExplorer 3,053]

52 minutes ago, ShockPop said:

Let me put you straight. It's ok for you to make mistakes like this, you're young, now's your chance to learn.

The behaviour of people on this website regarding the MR video in relation to the song's chart performance or lack thereof due to streams can not be considered in any way to be "Criticism" or "Pushing her to achieve more".

Let me tell you this, as you seem to think otherwise and you're blatantly wrong: Gaga is achieving EXACTLY what she wants to achieve right now. The video is as it was always going to be. She wants to tell a story with all the videos? Fine! Let her do it, who the hell are you to say otherwise?

As for the MR video being a dud - it's a page of a story. Remember the part in literally all books between the big events? This is one of those. Get over it.

Really. It is typical of millenials to gloss over their shitty attitudes and entitled bratty behaviour and try to label it as "Critique" or "pushing for better". Why lie? You're being a spoiled little child because she didn't come to "slay" or "snatch weaves" or "pop her booty" or any of that redundant garbage. 

I'd hate to break it to you, but what you want doesn't matter. You have zero influence on what's going on. But now you're acting like you "deserved" better...like... no. You never ever were entitled to anything better than what you get.

Having Gaga is a privilege not a right.

Hey @KarandrI have found one who belongs to the first camp

[SlaeUrAnus 15,955]

Whilst I applaud your honesty, these threads are not healthy. 

It's another foundation for fans to fight. Seriously, there is such a divide in this fanbase and it is awful to watch. 

[GagaTheExplorer 3,053]

44 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

So basically you just want to excuse your negativity?  

yes, that's exactly what Taylor did when she invented those excuses about dancers to drag Katy, isn't it?

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

Just now, ShockPop said:

The narrative wasn't the strongest in the world, but we're being given page 16 from a book with no title. I wouldn't expect it to make much sense until further down the line when other videos link in and make it make sense. 

The video is essentially a snippet.

Let me skip the first part of your response because I beg to differ and that is somewhat an off tangent discussion.

Even books/movies in a series are expected to be able to stand on its own, though, bar those deliberately cut into parts 1 and 2 for cash grab.

What was the one reason? Her staff or the rosary sent by her sister? Because we see her staff hug her, but they also just pushed her back to work and you can see she's still not that happy--she's still back to the daily grind with her assistants acting like she never left. Or were we supposed to think she's happy and back on track? Because I didn't feel it.

On the other hand, we see her touched by the rosary, but there was nothing else to support why it had such a big impact if you aren't following her personal story. Even then, Gaga hasn't really brought up much about her and Natali.

[ShockPop 7,747]

1 minute ago, A Gaga Lad said:

Let me skip the first part of your response because I beg to differ and that is somewhat an off tangent discussion.

Even books/movies in a series are expected to be able to stand on its own, though, bar those deliberately cut into parts 1 and 2 for cash grab.

What was the one reason? Her staff or the rosary sent by her sister? Because we see her staff hug her, but they also just pushed her back to work and you can see she's still not that happy--she's still back to the daily grind with her assistants acting like she never left. Or were we supposed to think she's happy and back on track? Because I didn't feel it.

On the other hand, we see her touched by the rosary, but there was nothing else to support why it had such a big impact if you aren't following her personal story. Even then, Gaga hasn't really brought up much about her and Natali.

I literally just explained this, albeit through a loose metaphor, so you may have missed it.

This is not part 2, part 1.5 or whatever. It is not expected to stand on its own. It is like a page of a book. It's not going to explain the whole book on one page. This stuff is all a mystery and unclear because we haven't seen the full picture yet.

As I said: It's a snippet.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

1 minute ago, ShockPop said:

It's a snippet.

It's a music video of a single song. It may not tell a big picture, it should still have its own structure. But looks like we're going in circles, so that just basically means I'm just going to be branded off as entitled and bratty and whiny, never mind that I have brought up actual discussion as to why it doesn't do the job for me.

[Nirvana 2,712]

As people have already told, there is a difference between constructive criticism and turning to personal insults to Gaga. You could compare that to that kind of feedback that you would want to get for example from an essay you've written? Let's think it's not your best one according to the professors... You could get feedback that presents the good stuff in it but also tells things that could be helpful and improved in the future, with constructive criticism. Or you could get feedback that attacks you personally claiming you are "lazy, lost your touch, basic, no creativy left anymore" etc. I've seen here?

What I feel while reading your post your points were constructive in my opinion. I'm sure you also see the difference between the insults and your posts...

And people, it's just one video, don't take it as the end of the world...

[ShockPop 7,747]

7 minutes ago, A Gaga Lad said:

It's a music video of a single song. It may not tell a big picture, it should still have its own structure. But looks like we're going in circles, so that just basically means I'm just going to be branded off as entitled and bratty and whiny, never mind that I have brought up actual discussion as to why it doesn't do the job for me.

Oh it HAS to have these things? Says you? Right.

Gaga has already said the videos all combine, so it's not standalone at all.

Think I already said this, hold on let me check the other 2 replies where I said it.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

2 minutes ago, ShockPop said:

Oh it HAS to have these things? Says you? Right.

Gaga has already said the videos all combine, so it's not standalone at all.

Think I already said this, hold on let me check the other 2 replies where I said it.

Perfect Illusion, despite also being one page of that story we don't know managed to tell a closed story in its own but somehow, says you, MR doesn't have to

[Thomas P 18,479]

I didn't love this video in respect to gaga. I don't have much of a reason, just not one that I thought was great. 

People can fight me on it, that's fine. You said that the point of a conversation/debate is to have opinions from both sides. Well my opinion is on the negative side, but when someone quotes me from the positive side, that causes a positive debate. That's a good thing.

Yes people can be rude whilst quoting, but news flash, some people are about 3 times more rude on the negative side. 

Not everyone is going to agree. C'est la vie. 

[PaperIz 7,346]

20 minutes ago, GagaTheExplorer said:

yes, that's exactly what Taylor did when she invented those excuses about dancers to drag Katy, isn't it?

This isn't about Taylor. This is about Gaga's "fans" attacking her every move  

[Eighteen 5,430]

everyone is entitled to their opinion. but there is also a line where once crossed you just are mean and unpleasant. 

[ShockPop 7,747]

Just now, A Gaga Lad said:

Perfect Illusion, despite also being one page of that story we don't know managed to tell a closed story in its own but somehow, says you, MR doesn't have to

Of course it doesn't have to. In fact, because we know that it's not the end of any story, it has to not provide answers for slot of it, or there would be nothing to continue.

I feel like I'm saying very obvious things. 

[Gagas love 722]

I didnt read the thread, but the first feeling i felt when i read the title was 

"oh god here we go," while rolling my eyes

no lie, people are hypocritical cause youre making a thread about bashing people and pointing their flaws, for people who you say , in other words, are bashing people and pointing their flaws

I CANNNOT DEAL WITH HUMANS.

[Thomas P 18,479]

13 minutes ago, Gagas love said:

I didnt read the thread, but the first feeling i felt when i read the title was 

"oh god here we go," while rolling my eyes

no lie, people are hypocritical cause youre making a thread about bashing people and pointing their flaws, for people who you say , in other words, are bashing people and pointing their flaws

I CANNNOT DEAL WITH HUMANS.

Omg please read the thread, you are so so so very very wrong.