Gaga and Bowie

[Neight Shayde 7,925]

14 minutes ago, metalguru said:

Bowie has horrible videos during the 80's too.

But Gaga needs to stop dropping his name because she is not trying to be frontier again. Million Reasons video and Bowie references are not matching anymore.

that was 5 years ago.

and of course they're not "matching", she's doing a different thing on her own. What she was basically saying was that her style will evolve, whether the fans like it or not, just like what Bowie did after Ziggy Stardust/Aladdin Sane. She compared herself to Bowie solely in that aspect, and not in terms of music, music videos, etc.

[Gardevoir 9,822]

Gaga isn't the person to only do what her fans please. If you think that way, there is something wrong about that. First of all she has to be in harmony with her own creativity, not only releasing things fans want her to do. xd

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

1 hour ago, Sycamore said:

Well, it's telling me that she gave up on doing what her fans like. The general public didn't like Marry The Night and thought she was over the top and attention seeking, but all of us knew that it was her most personal music video (also her best ;-)) ever.

If the GP can't comprehend Gaga it is their fault and Gaga shouldn't make it more basic for them to understand it.

She want to relate to everyone, not just her fans. She isnt deliberately making it basic to plead the GP, this is her and a new creative artistic rebirth. I wouldnt say that the Marry the Night video is her most personal at all

[Gagadonna 10,801]

Thanks for revealing the truth

[Joel 877]

So that means theres no going back? 

[SilkSpectre0 547]

21 hours ago, lilmonster93 said:

That doesn't seem like a good thing 

As a celebrity (especially at the level Gaga is), not meeting your idol or him not talking about you while he was alive, feels like an omen. Especially since his influence and inspiration on Gaga was so prevalent.

It was well known that Bowie would be pen pals with people he was interested in during his later years. He would email them. He didn't really go out and hang out with them. Gaga has mentioned that yes they were pen pals but of course she will never reveal How long they had been exchanging messages or what was discussed because it's personal. I'm glad she got to interact with him though.  I don't know if they ever hung out in person though. 

[SilkSpectre0 547]

I'm really glad that she understands why this happens and that it has happened to others from their fans. Obviously I wish everyone of gagas fans would be along for the ride of her evolution but sadly they aren't always and people can be mean. I remember gaga saying when she has a bad day she watched old interviews with Bowie and others. Something tells me she is probably doing that a lot recently to keep her strength up and keep her reminded that others faced backlash from 'fans' at the time and years later those same fans that bash and album say it's their favourite. 

Im really enjoying seeing how much she can evolve. 

[Mikey Monster 1,561]

22 hours ago, Craig Barnes said:

So we already know that David Bowie has had a major influence of Gaga. We see this in all of her work, and perhaps the reason why we see so many artistic evolutions from the different eras. But there is more than just art or song influences that Gaga and Bowie share. And thats the fans. Take a look at the LQ clip of Gaga talking about Bowie's fans on the HS Show in 2011 :

 

 

I'm sure some of you have seen this before. This was in 2011, fast forward to 2016 and can see the exact same thing happen. Now, Gaga hasn't dropped "Lady Gaga" and I dont think she will ever drop that name. But right now her fans are leaving her, going crazy and all sorts because she has gone/going through a new artistic transformation. Many of you want the "Old Gaga back". This era is a really pure era, we see Gaga in a different light to what have seen before. She is connecting with us on a different level. It is going to be stripped back, the music videos are going to be more basic. But as Gaga fans, shouldnt you be respecting it? Of course you are allowed to dislike something! But when the hate is coming from the fan base and not the GP, doesnt that tell you something? I'm not asking you to like what she does, but to respect her and her creative direction. This is only a creative rebirth. The MR MV received more hate from this fanbase than the GP. I personally love the music video and cant wait to see the next installment of Joanne

 

 

Yaaaas!!!❤️❤️❤️ I ALWAYS think about this part of this interview when it comes to Gaga now. She really is going through a transformation and in the end Gaga WILL be looked at as an ultimate legend, a one for the decades that will be remembered forever❤️❤️❤️

[The Fame Joanne 5,985]

22 hours ago, Craig Barnes said:

She has never been intersested in doing what the fans like. This is all about her, she is making music for herself and doing what makes her happy.  This era is her most personal yet. Its so authentic and honest. Just wait cause I think we may see her best MV come from this era

She literally said in the interview you posted "for me it's all about the fans loving it" 

[ShockPop 7,747]

It's not a transformation though. She's exactly the same as ever but less emphasis on immature "cutesy" garbage.

The fame: quirky look, dance pop

Tfm: drag queen avant garde looks & dark pop dance

Born this way: intentionally ugly, dark pop with heavy metal undertones in the form of a twisted, disjointed musical.

ARTPOP: edgy hipster looks, avant garde, goddess imagery. retro euro pop sounds, edm & a sexual overtone of the whole experience.

Cheek to cheek: classy, classic, elegant beauty with suitable American classics. She was a 55 year old lady for this era.

Joanne: classy mixed with country and the occasional avant garde flare. music mixes country, metal, pop & dance. There are sexual undertones & overall a feeling of maturity and quality.

She is never the same in any album cycle. Get over it. She'll change completely for the next album too.

Fans are leaving not because she changed but because she didn't rewind to being 24 again.

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

1 hour ago, ShockPop said:

It's not a transformation though. She's exactly the same as ever but less emphasis on immature "cutesy" garbage.

The fame: quirky look, dance pop

Tfm: drag queen avant garde looks & dark pop dance

Born this way: intentionally ugly, dark pop with heavy metal undertones in the form of a twisted, disjointed musical.

ARTPOP: edgy hipster looks, avant garde, goddess imagery. retro euro pop sounds, edm & a sexual overtone of the whole experience.

Cheek to cheek: classy, classic, elegant beauty with suitable American classics. She was a 55 year old lady for this era.

Joanne: classy mixed with country and the occasional avant garde flare. music mixes country, metal, pop & dance. There are sexual undertones & overall a feeling of maturity and quality.

She is never the same in any album cycle. Get over it. She'll change completely for the next album too.

Fans are leaving not because she changed but because she didn't rewind to being 24 again.

Thats what a transformation is. She has changed in some way throughout the different eras. Fans cant accept the change and want her to go back to the Fame/Fame Monster days. 

[ShockPop 7,747]

7 minutes ago, Craig Barnes said:

Thats what a transformation is. She has changed in some way throughout the different eras. Fans cant accept the change and want her to go back to the Fame/Fame Monster days. 

They seem to have only noticed the transformation this time, like it's the first time it's happened.

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

1 hour ago, The Fame Joanne said:

She literally said in the interview you posted "for me it's all about the fans loving it" 

And that was during Born This Way era. This was when she was the least happy. It got to the point that she felt like a money making machine, and she didn't recognise who she was going to bed with. She then slowly began to recognise who she was again, she started to say no and realised that she makes music to make her happy. If it pleases the fans then that's a bonus. But the main reason why she is still in music is because she is happy making music regardless of the fans.  

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

9 hours ago, Joel said:

So that means theres no going back? 

She'll change for the next album era too. If that means more rediculous costumes or crazy stuff, she'll do it. Likewise, if she wants to keep this chilled out vibe then she'll also do it! But as fans, we should all be respecting this change and living for the moment. 

[prince 4,688]

I know Gaga has constantly credited Bowie as an inspiration in her career and I know that to say she's inspired by him isn't anything new but I was watching a Bowie documentary the other night and to see his career discussed in a very concise way made me think about Gagas. Is she sub-consciously basing her entire career off of Bowies?

Lets focus on Bowies Ziggy Stardust as I believe it could be seen as the Gaga we know and love (the crazy Gaga). Ziggy was something that really hadn't been done before, the outfits and the look created almost an alien figure that people went mad for and are still inspired by today, but what stands out really is this: Bowie had a huge love of acting and used this when expressing himself through his characters "Offstage I'm a robot. Onstage I achieve emotion. It's probably why I prefer dressing up as Ziggy to being David." We know with Gaga this is very much the same, she expressed herself through her clothing and imagery, she used it to express her emotions, to hide her feelings but also to express those feelings in an artistic way. Just like Ziggy, the persona of Gaga gave her a massive amount of confidence, she's said herself that Gaga is strong and powerful.

The persona of Ziggy and Gagas earlier career both gained them massive success and interest (i'm honestly not going to go into detail about it all) but I believe it was a bit too much for them to handle, we know all about Gagas struggles and maybe this more vulnerable side she's showing us has something to do with her previous personas? This is what David Bowie said about Ziggy "Ziggy wouldn't leave me alone for years. That was when it all started to go sour ... My whole personality was affected. It became very dangerous. I really did have doubts about my sanity." Maybe Gaga felt trapped in her old self and maybe Joanne is about introducing this stripped back personal side to her career, she needs head space. After the Ziggy years Bowie reinvented himself into other personas, one of which was the Thin White Duke, a persona that looked worlds apart from Ziggy, he looked more "normal" and his sound had changed a bit, he was working on different music and visuals (we've all seen the video of Gaga discussing Bowie getting rid of Ziggy and how the fans reacted so I won't go into that). Bowie also loved acting and stared in films, he became an advocate for the internet and was a lover of new technology.

What i'm saying is, there are strong elements in the way Bowies career panned out that are just like Gagas; Gagas changing and maybe Joanne is her Thin White Duke and if it is get ready for more evolutions, more changes in sound, more acting jobs and get ready for her to take different directions in her career. We might have to look at the Gaga from the past with fond memories because we might never get it back but we will get new evolutions, new personas and new music and visuals to match.

Just a thought