Why I Admire Gaga Less Now

[The Fame Joanne 5,985]

I think this is the longest post I've seen on here so far 

I didn't read much of it but from what I read my answer is: Talking about the bad things that happened in your life isn't a weakness, neither is being human (which means making mistakes)

[PunkTheFunk 124,425]

@jojuun I actually read the whole thing  I really appreciate all the time that went into this. And you make some great points. It's sad that some people here immediately disagree with you after only reading the first few words 

At the end of the day it really just comes down to the fact that Madonna and Gaga are different people. Madonna (and even Beyonce) seems a bit more cold and stoic than Gaga, who is very open with her emotions.

And because their different people, they deal with their problems in different ways. Gaga more publicly, Madonna less so. But there is nothing wrong with either imo. Although because Gaga is such an emotional person, she tends to come off as more dramatic and attention seeking. Kind of reminds me of the contrast between my parents tbh  My dad is very stoic and private about his emotions while my mom has meltdowns/feels attacked and victimized when the cashier doesn't give her the correct change   And my mom accuses my dad of not being genuine because he "bottles up" his emotions, when in fact he's a pretty stable guy. The ways they deal with their emotions are both valid.

What I don't like is this notion Gaga is pushing that if you don't deal with your issues publicly, you somehow aren't genuine. Not everyone can be as open as she is. Now that I look back on it, that quote about Madonna isn't fair. How does she know Madonna hasn't allowed herself to fail or break? Why is Madonna obligated to show her flaws to the world in order to be viewed as a genuine person? 

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7 minutes ago, jojuun said:

I'm genuinely asking, why is that Beyonce and Madonna (people she said she admired) can talk (more briefly so than Gaga) about their struggles and tragedies in their lives, even write several personal songs about them yet are able to break away from it (or at least so publicly) and Gaga is not able to?

Gaga is the only person who can answer that. Or maybe her therapist (if she has one). It's pointless imo to ask why a person does not channel their creativity in the exact same manner as others do.

[LilARTPOP 160]

While I don't agree with this post at all, I'm really trying to understand your opinions... 

My question is, when will Gaga be good enough? Would you like her to make happy, empty pop music instead of expressing herself and making music that pleases her? Would you like her to become physically and mentally exhausted? I just don't get it. Thinking that someone could wish tragedy upon themselves is messed up, especially with what she's been through. She's 30 years old now, she's grown up. Just because other artists haven't changed doesn't mean she needs to follow their footsteps. 

[iCpro 14,846]

While I see where you're coming from, I don't really think it's that big of a deal. At the end when you talked about how Bey and Madge dealt with grief, I don't think it's fair to compare that to how Gaga dealt with it. Regardless of whether or not she likes being the victim, she's been through a lot of ****, drug addiction, rape, heartbreak. How she deals with it is her own process, and while it may seem fake to you, I think it's genuine.

Also it's unfair to compare 21 year old Gaga to 30 year old Gaga. When she was younger, it's obvious that she really wanted to be famous, but since then she's grown and matured, and possibly realised that maybe she doesn't want fame as much as she did then, or that it's not as satisfying as she expected.

(Also I skipped over some parts of your post so apologies if I misinterpreted it)

[Hades 27,980]

For the OP: If you feel the need to mention other artists in personal topics that means they mean more to you. There's no need to compare them or say why Gaga can't do what others do in some ways.I stan Madge and i hope she and other artists never get mentioned again in personal threads about Gaga. Every artist is unique and even when he's criticized you can't compare him to anyone.

For those who need to insult: Remember that dragging is easier than using arguments.

[jojuun 4,159]

7 minutes ago, freebit said:

I fail to see how her talking frankly to interviewers is this huge sign of being "weak." She could also find that being open about her experiences might help another person out there who happens to be listening or reading. A lot of Gaga's impetus around talking about her experiences is to help people feel a little less alone in the world. Does it really matter in the end how she accomplishes this as long as she achieves her goal? I would take this any day over Gaga feeling like she has to express being a ~strong woman~ (or rather, someone else's idea of a strong woman) in a way that comes unnaturally to her. 

I agree with your post completely in theory but that's exactly the thing with Gaga: she contradicts herself. In that VF article from 2010 that I talk about all the time in this thread she basically says it's self-inflicted by saying she prayed for it. She also says she's aware of it, she knew the day would come, she's on Xanax and she's going to grab control of it. The same journalist called her after the original first meet-up for the article for a quick follow up. It's only 3 paragraphs later in the same damn article. It's only weeks later. Her tone completely changed says the writer. "I've worked through a lot of those issues now, I'm doing much better." Direct quote... And then in the same article she talks about the recreational use of cocaine. How do you match those answers? That's my question? How do you rhyme her "If you're a strong female, you don't need permission" shtick in Sheisse with that article where she contradicts herself about 40 times, says she's self-aware, then changes to "I'm doing much better and I still occasionally use cocaine by the way." How is that not cycle of abuse? How is that helping anyone?

Like also, what's the point also in Selena Gomez coming out of rehab after a few weeks for the AMA's, giving this so-called honest speech and saying social media messed her up, yet she's photographed taking countless selfies and pictures with various people, including celebs for the very purpose of posting them on social media? What's the point in Selena standing there saying she doesn't need validation anymore yet thanking people for an award she's just received, which is the ultimate showcase of public or critical validation. And now, according to what I'm reading online, Selena's back to the rehab facility. What the purpose? She came out dressed to the nines, make-up and hair done perfectly, smiled for the camera's, thanked people for their validation and 0.4 seconds later said she doesn't actually need that validation. Why bother then? Catch my drift here?

You can't take public ownership of something if you haven't taken control of it yourself or at least feel like some part of you is ready to honestly share that  struggle with the world. Gaga sat at that Emotion Revolution convention about mental health talking about how fame sucked the life out of her and it was all too much. Yet when she was going through it originally, the first time around, by the time she said she was "healed from it", she was in fact still very much in it and the worst was yet to come (the 2012/13/14 breakdown). How do you rhyme those things?

[Sister 9,907]

@jojuun I was a fan all throughout the same time as you point back to, when Gaga was so strong and ambitious, but still kept up a lot of mystery within her persona and I also recall that time and moment when it seemed to flip and Gaga suddenly was shown publicly crying and being vulnerable. I recall a lot of her fan base questioning those tears suddenly and implying that the Lady Gaga that we all know and love HAD TO BE faking and performing that drama. We all knew all of that background information as well, that you are referring to, such as how she had such money and support to have an easy start, Many of us expressed some doubt and mixed feelings about her story told and later learned.

I could go on and on, but I would just like to simplify, because I haven't so much time or care, because it's just so much into the past, so it doesn't matter so much to me.

I believe that Gaga completely changed her goals and ambitions when she was out so much on tour and meeting her audience, which consisted of the young and broken kids looking for a hero and guidance, straight and gay and boys and girls, so she decided that she would become each of them and be a down to earth hero to all who need her and she would share her story and defeats and hurts with the world, so that they could live through her, as they all shared with her that they did anyway, but that they'd live through her and see someone hurt and like them, but also someone like their self who IS succeeding and who is still messy but working hard and achieving the dream. Gaga went above and beyond as being like a Mother, sister and friend to her audience. She championed them and would relate more than any other superstar I have seen in recent years. Gaga gave herself and her story over to her public, to help pick up the fight of life.

I have no problem with where Gaga has started to where she has become, that is a great idol for the world, since so many place so much attention on celebrity worship. Gaga is doing a service and doing it very well. I am certain that Lady Gaga has saved many lives.

I can't fault Gaga for going this way with her life and story, she really is a blessing and not a victim. She is a humanitarian.

[Benji 20,113]

I somewhat agree.

When Gaga plays the victim card hard it is so off-putting, she comes across as weak and unaware of her own privileges (and I don't mean that in the soft Tumblr way). I honestly feel like her victim complex is so strong that she blows up her problems to unimaginable heights and it makes me feel more annoyed at her than sorry for her.

[JEWRJEWR 5,663]

I bet she doesnt even want you as a fan, lel. It's a bit degrading for an artist to have people follow you because of how you act instead of your craft. 

[JEWRJEWR 5,663]

10 minutes ago, Sister said:

when Gaga was so strong and ambitious

when gaga 'was' ambitious...

 

That doesn't make any sense considering joanne is her most ambitious project musically speaking.

[jojuun 4,159]

39 minutes ago, Tumblr said:

This, he's clearly a Medonster looking for attention 

I'm not. I'm not exclusively a Madonna fan. Why would I invest my time discussing Gaga's issues if I didn't care about her anymore? I just admire her less on a personal level. I still admire her music, I went to every single Gaga tour, including when she was opening for the *** Cat Dolls. I saw that tour, the original Fame Ball, the Monster Ball two times, the Born This Way Ball, ArtRave, Cheek to Cheek live with Tony at a Jazz festival and I will be going to the Joanne Tour.

You really need to start reading what I'm actually saying and stop trolling.

[jojuun 4,159]

LMAO why are the P u s s y Cat Dolls censored on this board?

[Sister 9,907]

1 minute ago, JEWRJEWR said:

when gaga 'was' ambitious...

 

That doesn't make any sense considering joanne is her most ambitious project musically speaking.

I just meant that at the start Gaga was full on talking about making it and living the life and wanting nothing, not even romance, to come before her fame. She was hungry and not even resting, whereas later, she got very contradicting about the fame and loathed it, loved it. She just changed and started having a personal life and made more room for herself and friends and family and more space in between all of the paparazzi and performance.

She's ever ambitious, but she has calmed down and even has stated that there have been certain times when she wanted to go away with what she already has and she had to set boundaries between what she will say yes to and what she will refuse. She wasn't that way at all when she was still in her Monster Ball fame.

She changed completely with Born This Way.

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1 minute ago, Sister said:

I just meant that at the start Gaga was full on talking about making it and living the life and wanting nothing, not even romance, to come before her fame. She was hungry and not even resting, whereas later, she got very contradicting about the fame and loathed it, loved it. She just changed and started having a personal life and made more room for herself and friends and family and more space in between all of the paparazzi and performance.

You clearly didn't understand anything about her speech. She clarified several times that the 'fame' she was talking about had nothing to do with being popular.