PeterPan 0 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Tumblr said: All of these essay I can't Right. I dont even like to read in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,093 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just now, littlepotter said: 6 years later she releases a whole album about her dead aunt Yeah, which is fine - I wouldn't have had a problem with her detailing her trauma then if she had chosen too - but it's obvious things have changed for her, her outlook has changed, what she values has changed and her goals have changed. She feels more comfortable talking about her past abuse, her past trauma, her family history now then she did before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshie S 6,068 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 So I started by skipping some parts, until it got to the good stuff, and you know, I've thought about all of this [excluding the Madonna moments], about Gaga and her family making her a star etc. And you know, all I was thinking while reading this post was, you know, if all of what you're saying is true, it really doesn't matter because the fact is, she has the pipes and the talent to pull it off. All of what you've said is irrelevant, because, she can actually sing, she is a rare talent. I also feel that this entire post is basically you telling us why we should like Madonna over Gaga...so...it's a no from me. I thought you were creative with how you were going with the story and then suddenly it got to "well this is how Gaga should be like Madonna" and i was like no thanks. The melody that you choose can rescue you ♥ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bebe said: You seem a little erratic with your criticisms. It's a little hard to respond to when you are drifting from: She has "some kind of tragedy-wish" To "She likes to play the victim" To "I believe she knew the amount of scrutiny she was going to be under very, very well.... She wanted to be a huge superstar To "Why does she go back to self-destruction time and time again?" To "She is obviously also less dedicated to her career than she was in the beginning." and so on These are all completely different points. Well, it isn't exactly a one-sided kind of thing now is it Bebe? It's all tied together. These points can all exist together without devaluating each other. I don't get why you are trying to undermine my post in which I've obviously invested time in to kindly express my views without being all "she's just an emotional mess now to me, I like Beyonce and Madonna better now cause they don't whine as much". Which would be the general thread opener some of these 16 year olds on here would make... Back on-topic and a reply to your post: I believe she knew what she was getting into/had a longing for tragedy in her life back then (both facts, she's said so, around the same time) -> then kind of found some sort of comfort in the victim-role after first fame (not saying she massively enjoys feeling "weak" or being a victim tho, but to a certain extend, a comfort in implying that publicly) -> goes in and out of negative spirals because of self-inflicted issues that tie in with that yearning for tragedy -> creative process as a result of the inspiration she feels when she's down -> the first set-up of an era, we generally believe all is fixed -> clearly not, "fire" and work-ethic we saw earlier is not present anymore mid-era -> back into the spiral... Repeating it "all over again." (Yes, a quote from MTN) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebit 6,240 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just because she's upfront about what happened to her doesn't mean she's not strong. Society expecting women to keep a stiff upper lip and being made out to be weak for expressing emotion has been going on for eons. I find this attitude to be very archaic. 34 minutes ago, Bebe said: You do, but all of the trauma I caused to myself [pauses]. Or it was caused by people that I met when being outrageous and irresponsible. It's been a long time since I read this interview, but you can tell she kind of blamed herself for what happened. I find that so heartbreaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addison Rae 16,605 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 sitting on his lap sipping diet pepsi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, Tumblr said: All of these essay I can't Yet your username is "Tumblr". Bye! No one asked you to post in this thread. What's the point even if you are not going to contribute... 9 minutes ago, petedagrk said: Didnt Gaga struggle before her superstardom. I thought i read before she was famous in like 2005-2008 that she struggled financially and lived of ramen noodles and what not? And why would anyone want to live a tragedy filled life? Im pretty sure thats not what she wants. No one wants to spend their life in pain and misery Okay you really need to start reading before you comment. Gaga DID NOT struggle financially as much as she likes to say, we pretty much all know that. At the time she was so-called "struggling", she was going to the most prestigious performing arts-departement in the United States. Her "struggling" started when started go-go dancing and refused to take her father's money. But he still paid her appartement a few months ahead and they still paid for her other classes (vocal lessons etc.) when she quit the school. And she SAID she wished a tragedy upon herself. If you had read the post, you would know that. But that's not even the point... So just do yourself and me a favor and stop replying, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Geez you're so judgemental. She's a human being and that's why all the victimization happens. Because people like you judge others without having walked in their shoes. Hence "till it happens to you" you said one part about how "why is she destroying herself when she's battling with inner demons" um as humans we all do what we do to keep us alive and sane . Gaga is an artist. Artists are tortured souls. They care too much and love everything. So when you see her going on and on about certain issues, it's because it's her truth and she believes the message needs to be sent . I'd love to see you go do what you wanna do and someone say "why you doing this or that? It should be like this or that" thats the problem with this world. We over analyze each other and judge and try to pick the weaknesses and flaws. It natural and instinctive. But keep it to yourself because one day you're gonna be in a rut and the last thing you're gonna want to hear is how dumb you're being and how easy it is to be different. Trust me, if humans could be different and change their habits and stuff in a heartbeat, then this whole existence would be a lot nicer. Lol. I say live and let live. If gaga wants to be a meth head and suddenly retire, I won't like it but it's her life and who am I to decide exactly how life should be lived ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 If we put this much effort into analyzing her work, she'd be a more recognized artist. When we talk about her life and career like we know all the factors involved, she is basically a simple pop star. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumblr 1,846 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just now, jojuun said: Yet your username is "Tumblr". Bye! No one asked you to post in this thread. What's the point even if you are not going to contribute... Yet your name is Jojuun so keep ya slick ass mouth shut. Rude ass. I contributed to this thread by letting you know that your essay is meaningless sorry! Mariah - Ariana - Rihanna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan 0 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, jojuun said: Yet your username is "Tumblr". Bye! No one asked you to post in this thread. What's the point even if you are not going to contribute... Okay you really need to start reading before you comment. Gaga DID NOT struggle financially as much as she likes to say, we pretty much all know that. At the time she was so-called "struggling", she was going to the most prestigious performing arts-departement in the United States. Her "struggling" started when started go-go dancing and refused to take her father's money. But he still paid her appartement a few months ahead and they still paid for her other classes (vocal lessons etc.) when she quit the school. And she SAID she wished a tragedy upon herself. If you had read the post, you would know that. But that's not even the point... So just do yourself and me a favor and stop replying, please. I did read the post u wrote about she said she wished tragedy upon herself. I read your whole post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
narcoswing 1,129 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, jojuun said: Hey guys, first of all let me get started by saying this is in no way meant to hurt Gaga or upset any of you who feel passionate about defending Gaga in these kind of seemingly "negative" threads. I do not mean to be hurtful or derogatory towards anyone Bullsh*t that's exactly what you were towards Gaga. Comparing Gaga to other strong females and criticizing her for not handling her pain and issues like the others do. This is bullsh*t. I shouldn't have wasted time reading this. Go listen to Hey Girl on repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, freebit said: Just because she's upfront about what happened to her doesn't mean she's not strong. Society expecting women to keep a stiff upper lip and being made out to be weak for expressing emotion has been going on for eons. I find this attitude to be very archaic. But that's the thing. I like that someone like Madonna or Beyonce is able to showcase vunerability while still taking complete ownership of their careers and having a strong image and dedicated work ethic. I even like some who was as "messed up" as Amy Winehouse more when it comes to expressing emotions. She sometimes straight-up broke down. Amy never sat in interviews semi-analysing herself. Gaga does that all the time. What's the point of it if she's not breaking away from it? My issue with Gaga is, is that she's aware of it. She knows it's self-inflicted (or at least a big part of her struggles are). Yet she goes in and out of it again and again. Like I said earlier in a reply to another user, any therapist will tell you: being aware of it is the first step of recovery. So why does she always get to that stage of awareness, tries to reach the stages of healing yet never seems to arrive at that final destination and then instead likes to scab at the wounds again to let it all pour out yet again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan 0 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, jojuun said: Yet your username is "Tumblr". Bye! No one asked you to post in this thread. What's the point even if you are not going to contribute... Okay you really need to start reading before you comment. Gaga DID NOT struggle financially as much as she likes to say, we pretty much all know that. At the time she was so-called "struggling", she was going to the most prestigious performing arts-departement in the United States. Her "struggling" started when started go-go dancing and refused to take her father's money. But he still paid her appartement a few months ahead and they still paid for her other classes (vocal lessons etc.) when she quit the school. And she SAID she wished a tragedy upon herself. If you had read the post, you would know that. But that's not even the point... So just do yourself and me a favor and stop replying, please. And by the way u said we all pretty much knew that she did not struggle financially. Well i didnt know that. I didnt know her family had money. Thats my bad. But dont critize me because i have an opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hELXIG 42,954 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Good luck getting an A on this thesis paper! I'll be myself until they fūcking close the coffin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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