Why I Admire Gaga Less Now

[Zombie 1,218]

I dont respecto EpioneGa, at all, besides that, she have my respect

[GagzDonkeyD 1,293]

19 minutes ago, Mythos said:

I am not making any assumption. How in hell is this Album about her dead Aunt and her Family dealing with the pain, and get over it, over 30 year later? How? 

In Japan she cries when they gave her Kimono and second later it's "Joanne helped me and my family alot to deal with loosing my aunt, by the album". 

She can do whatever she want's, but i don't buy this act for a second. If she said, this album is about me, my life and one song is about my dead aunt, it would be different. But her aunt is the center of attention of this album, and it's clearly not. But hey, tragic, and pain seems more vulnerable to people, so...

Just like people don't buy her act of BTW how can she understand what we want 

Just like people don't buy her act of Angel down she's not black she got no right to talk abt it 

She just want all y'all coins 

god you're worse than the person that started all this mess 

[pedrohemg 7,802]

Jesus Christ. I don't have time to read this bible.

[REALITY 76,602]

No. Like, what the f*ck? I'm sorry, you wanted responses to be civil, but if you're going to talk realism, that's not realistic. 

Is she not allowed to be a flawed person? Is she not allowed to fall down every once in a while because sometimes she just can't handle something? 

"I don't like the "weakness" of it all. I like my idols to overcome their biggest struggles and not go on about it endlessly publicly."

Do you realize how selfish that is? The very line "I like my idols to overcome their biggest struggles", like, do you own them? Their human beings who are also struggling with their own situations, some much more than others and I cannot stand such an ignorant statement. 

The quote: "I'm not just rehearsing over and over again to put on a show like Madonna. There's a spontaneity in my work. I allow myself to fail, I allow myself to break. I'm not afraid of my flaws. There are major differences between me and her." is not her trying to "f*ck herself up", it's about fighting and allowing yourself to fail in order to learn from that and try to make up for what you lack.

Your view is not only way too pessimistic, but way too selfish. Again, sorry that I'm being so direct, but I'm ashamed of this kind of thinking. You're acting as if she's not allowed to fail and break down sometimes. 

Just because she's one of your favorite "idols" DOES NOT mean that she's not entitled to break down every once in a while. This is a woman of true strength, true courage, true artistry, and true passion.

I'm sorry you can't see that and are only seeing her "flaws" and not the fact that every time, she can get back up because you know, she had a hundred million reasons to walk away, but she only needed one good one to stay. 

That line could be interpreted as her fans, and if you're going to argue that she "wants to play the victim" and is just doing this for some self-validation, you couldn't be further from the truth.

[Mythos 3,199]

53 minutes ago, Shawn Lee said:

Just like people don't buy her act of BTW how can she understand what we want 

Just like people don't buy her act of Angel down she's not black she got no right to talk abt it 

She just want all y'all coins 

god you're worse than the person that started all this mess 

Where did i say that? Why are you comparing me to those "others". I am sorry if i can't kiss her ass for trying to sell albums by putting her dead aunt in the center of attention, because this album helped her and her family to overcome her death after so many years. It sounds so authentic and believable.

Of course she want's our coins, what did you think? Our love? 

[Denys 848]

2 hours ago, Mythos said:

She is making her Aunt the center of attention, and i do love the song Joanne, but i personally find it disrespectful, cause she is using her Aunt to promote her album.

How can you feel connected to someone if you have never met that person? Isn't that all in your head? And if my child writes a song about my mother, and talks about it all the time, and how this album helped the family to heal after more then 30 years, yeah, i would find it disrespectful.

She doesn't talk about it all the time she is promoting her work and saying what inspires her! She can't just say it once as u already know the msg doesn't go all out at once, she had to say it as much as possible, you hear it always because u are a fan. Mind you her aunt got raped too there is too much similarities to not be inspired by 

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[Kayla 7,595]

I hope people take time to actually read the OP. I too was thrown off at first and when I started gathering my thoughts I felt negative towards OP, but after actually giving their post a chance and reading through it I found I actually agree with a lot of their points and they've stated it well. 
(though, @jojuun, your title got people off to a bad start with you. Had you titled this something like "Does Gaga desire tragedy to legitimize her success?" people would have came in more willing to hear you out. ) 

Did you ever stop to think that maybe this "victim thing" going on with today's pop stars is a real issue?

Sure, I had more fun as a Gaga fan when she was a bomb-ass bitch who could do it all, but remember that these people are human. You can't expect someone to be in the public eye with all their actions critiqued all the time to be your badass 24/7. There is a lot of pressure to be perfect, act perfect, and succeed in everything. 
You're right that Gaga very much KNEW what she was getting into, but I think there was a lot she also didn't account for. Like...I knew what I was getting into when I agreed to work 7 days a week for six months, but that didn't make it any easier when I was knee-deep, lol.

However, I do get what you're saying about Gaga wishing she had a more dramatic life. Her parents were hard workers and it's not like she went without. It's clear they had a fine amount of money and Gaga had good opportunities to be successful. On the other hand, I don't think Gaga got where she is specifically because of her privilege. The girl worked her ass off and made a huge name out of herself in a career path most people don't succeed in- while she didn't have a tragedy-filled life, it certainly wasn't picture perfect and she fought for what she has. Regardless, you're right she has taken on this persona of needing to overcome. 
But I think this also comes from public perception of people with success. If you came from a well-off family and made it big they don't take you as seriously. People want an underdog story. And while I believe Gaga believes she went through many tragedies (and truthfully, she's had her fair share), I also believe, as you too indicated, she wants to be more of the underdog than she actually is. 

And sure, Gaga has and had a pretty cushy life, all things considered. But I noticed in a recent interview that she sortof brought up losing a couple friends in the past year. She doesn't talk about it much, or really at all, but her mentioning it made me realize there's a lot more going on in her life than what we see. We see her career side, but there's a whole personal side that she certainly keeps off limits, for good reason. 

Honestly, I think once Gaga got to a certain point she just wanted to be seen as a person. For the longest time she was a symbol, an art piece, a fantasy. The interactions she had with people were built on this IDEA they had of her. It's de-humanizing. I can see how she'd go from her Fame days to a song like Perfect Illusion - after years of getting people to eat out of the palm of her hand and feeding them this idea of herself, she wants to be seen as a human again. 
I've felt similar things in my life. In my jobs I'm seen as a leader, someone who knows what they're doing, and specifically someone who's always happy. Many of my coworkers don't realize that for a long period of time it took everything I had to hold it together because I was dealing with terrible things in my family. But I didn't feel I could tell them, lest I destroy their image of me that they trust and admire. I couldn't imagine being under that kind of pressure in Gaga's shoes! I could barely handle it in my daily life, and I don't have people writing me letters to say I "saved them from suicide" and such. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

The thing is, Life happens, and things you thought you understood and handled turn out to have a different effect on you than expected.  Fans tend to treat Gaga as some sort of religious figure that had all the answers and is not allowed to change. She changed though, and so will the OP, and everyone else here as they age and experience life. 

Be glad Gaga is working to find her balance and deal with issues rather than following the path of Amy and Kurt, who were literally killed by the demands of fame culture and expectation. 

To me Gagas current behavior is far healthier and worthy of emulation than putting up false fronts and bravado. 

[Kayla 7,595]

14 hours ago, Versace19069 said:

For those who need to insult: Remember that dragging is easier than using arguments.

 It's annoying to come in here and see so many people only commenting on the length or not reading. OP put a lot of time into this post, came with references and reasoning, and honestly proposed a legitimate opinion. If the length is too much or you think it's extra, just push that back button, baby. I love these kind of discussions on here! I missed when we did it more with her work. <3

[Kayla 7,595]

10 hours ago, Marjol said:

I recognize a lot from your post. I just don't really think she plays the victim intentionally. I think she wishes she didn't care as much and would just be able to move past things, but that's just not her personality and that's what she's trying to make the most of it. Her way to deal with her mental struggles is to share them. It is unusual but I think she's gotten better at it these past years. I also have a self destructive nature and I can't get past it so I see a lot of myself in her. Therefor I admire her sharing this so I can learn from it. I am an emotional person, but I hold it all in. Therefor I may appear strong but I'm not. Gaga is a very emotional person, she picks up the energy of those around her and almost absorbs it. When  someone opens up to her, she cries. I would never. Does that make her weak? No, not to me. 

She is a bit of a dramaqueen in some ways too, especially about her upbringing, but I've embraced that side of her since the start. She seems to overthink many things and therefor can be very contradictory when expressing herself. 

Back in 2011 I felt things were going wrong for Gaga when she seemed to start to lean on her fans too much. There was too much sadness with people bombarding her with personal stories of hearbreak and struggle. Instead of empowering her I think it become overbearing. Even I felt down at shows and online, it seemed like every fan was focussed on subjects like depression, self harm and suicide. I can imagine it got to Gaga, her being as sensitive to others emotions as she is. 

Joanne may be a tribute to her dead aunt, I remember her saying it's about the pain it caused her family, not Gaga personally.  I find a lot of people who say she's crying over someone she never knew to be overreacting. Gaga always made it clear this album had many subjects, comes from a happy place and is an ode to her family. Her aunt gives her a sence of purpose, a direction, a focus she seems to need with that busy mind of hers. (Just like Beyonce seems to find guidance in God and Blue and Madonna in Kabbalah, exercize and her kids)  

I admire the outer strenght of Madonna and Beyonce, but it also seems like a big wall they built. I often feel like they're miserable off stage.  I used to be a huge Madonna fan and I always found it very hard to relate to her because she was so guarded, even on stage. Only recently she became much more interactive with her audience. Before she barely looked at her fans, now she invites them on stage! So I think a bit of Gaga's openness rubbed off on her. She even shared her pain about the situation with Rocco. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and continue to grow and I feel Gaga is heading in the right direction. Maybe a bit too slow for some, but at least it's her own pase and nothing that is forced upon her.

This was a fantastic post and I agree with every word and sentiment. 

[Kayla 7,595]

2 hours ago, Runway said:

Why no ones closed this mess yet lol?

Because people are actually discussing Gaga, thank goodness. 

[Omar Vela 2,744]

Just now, Kayla said:

Because people are actually discussing Gaga, thank goodness. 

So freedom of speech in this site it's respected just when it's against Gaga? lol
I think this thread it's insulting, just imagine if she sees this x_x

[Kayla 7,595]

Just now, Omar Vela said:

So freedom of speech in this site it's respected just when it's against Gaga? lol
I think this thread it's insulting, just imagine if she sees this x_x

Then post that you think the thread is insulting instead of focusing on someone's profile picture. That would be an on topic post contributing to the discussion by sharing your thoughts about it. 

Why, specifically, do you feel this thread is insulting? 

[Omar Vela 2,744]

2 minutes ago, Kayla said:

Then post that you think the thread is insulting instead of focusing on someone's profile picture. That would be an on topic post contributing to the discussion by sharing your thoughts about it. 

Why, specifically, do you feel this thread is insulting? 

Are you for real!?!?!?!? This site sometimes I think it should be called Maddersdaily instead of Gagadaily. How calling Gaga a fake isn't insulting?, calling her weak because she doesn't act like other "divas" that never say anything abouth their rough past?... this is really awful.