DontDoubtDavid 1,191 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 This was a good read, really well written. I completely agree. I've never been able to to put my finger on what has bothered me about her the past few years, but think is it! Honestly, when I look at videos like this (starts at 1:17), I feel sad because I miss this thirst, this hunger that she used to have. This was the Gaga I loved and adored. If only she could have continued evolving the same way she has, but with the same mindset. She seems to have a defeatist mindset now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 hours ago, djBuffoon said: In response to the OP, as someone who has spent most of their life onstage, there is one thing I'm sure of: it is much harder, and more rewarding, to be vulnerable in front of an audience. It takes true bravery to expose yourself emotionally. Exactly! This goes back to my comment in this thread, that the way Gaga communicates her art and relates to her fans and the world is what attracts me to her. If that's not your thing, move on! I'm not sure why the OP can't understand that some people are drawn to artists for different reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 44 minutes ago, Scathach said: Personally, when I'm not that interested in an artist anymore, I just find someone else to listen to and move on. I don't write an essay about it on a fan site hoping people will agree with me because I need validation. But hey, whatever makes you happy Seems so logical, doesn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismugler 944 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 10 hours ago, petedagrk said: My thoughts are your post is way to long for me to read it all This. Thanks for letting out your feelings, I get you dislike some aspects about Gaga, cool, thanks for joining Gaga Daily. B.B.A. / Music Lover / Human. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenGaga 3,447 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 The way you talk about Gaga..... We can say the same about Madonna. She has created "not so good" music after Hard Candy. Rebel Heart only stood a chance because of Madges reputation. You expect too much from Gaga. She is happy, Joanne is wonderful, and thats all actual fans need. Pleaese leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan 0 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Woa this thread became hostile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos 3,199 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 4 hours ago, Ma Ma Pa Pa Pa said: It's just not something I can get behind. Joanne died before she was even born. I have an uncle that died before I was born. My mom was NEVER the same, it effects her to this day. But I would NEVER write an album about him, tell people to call me his name, and do all this other stuff, like this is some tragedy that affected HER personally, not from the behavior of her father, but directly from the death of her aunt. She didn't even know her!!! I won't harp on that because maybe it is something more to her than the same scenario is to me. She's allowed that lenience. I also have an uncle who died before i was born, he killed his wife and then himself, leaving a son behind, and it did really affect my family, and my mother talked all the time about him, cause she loved him so much, but, how can it affect me, if i never knew him? How can i sit down and writer an album about this person i never knew. Isn't it kinda disrespectful to people who to go through all that pain? My mother died over a month ago fighting leukemia for 6 years, and to be honest, i would find it so offensive if someone writes an album about a person who died fighting cancer before they where born and know nothing about the struggles. I don't say it didn't affect her in anyway, but it definitely didn't affect her the way it did her father and her mother, the people who went through all the pain and suffering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy McQueen 4,484 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I don't think so... But whatever. Nobody of us knows except herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathermonster 1,438 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Well I actually agree with you. I said this before Perfect Illusion dropped, when she described it as "a release of her pain", and sort of thought to myself, "This is what you said about all your other songs", the GP aren't stupid, they so see these things and it is off putting because people must think, "You're a multi millionaire" not that money is the root of all happiness, but Gaga does for sure love to play the under dog and the victim. I question weather she was actually picked up and put in the trash when she was a kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I think it's good to deviate from basic stories about sex, money, love in songs and talk about real life things that a lot of people can relate to, whether it's authentic or not, whether it's to play the part of a tragedic but talented artist, you'll always got my respect cause there's just not enough of that in the music industry lately, and it's a bold approach to wanna create an album about people you knew, how you see the world, your different emotions and thoughts whether than just making bubbly mainstream talk-about-nothing music that is of course good, but there has to be a balance between entertaining songs and inspiring songs and I think Gaga's next album will for sure be better, catchier but even more inspiring and you just gotta wait. I don't think Gaga is going down, I think she's growing as an artist and figuring things out, it's gonna get better. Joanne is a draft for the next biggest album, just wait and see people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 If someone gives up a baller career to become a teacher, that's not a failure to overcome their struggle, that's just a re-prioritizing of life. If someone can't dance or play sports at a professional level anymore because of an injury that cannot be fixed, that is not a failure to overcome a struggle, that's just life. I think Gaga has faced some limitations in her ability and willingness to be a traditional pop star, combined with wanting to re-prioritize her life and her work anyway. She made her way to the top and found a hollow existence there. And holding Gaga to the standard that only a VERY few people in this world have achieved is unfair. What she HAS accomplished is absolutely admirable! And losing admiration for Gaga because she fell short of Madonna and Beyonce pretty much means you don't admire anyone in this world but Madonna and Beyonce! There are many artists I admire who never even break the top 200, but their work is still very good and better than most people can do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Brave 2,072 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Wow. After this thread I feel like I may no longer be the most hated person on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomdsgn 1,913 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Fascinating read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara 1,128 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 If Gaga were blowing up the charts right now, I wonder how many people would still be complaining about the way she talks about her struggles, motivations, and failures? The OP has some valid points, and it's a good essay, it's just it feels like a bit of an overreaction (sorry OP) to make such a big deal about these things, IMO. Usually when people overreact, there's something else triggering them that they aren't saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denys 848 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I got bored of reading ur long ass whining article, if u don't admire her like before it means u grew up and somany factors have contributed to that. Now to address ur topic 'she prayed to God to give her the craziness people she admired had' it as simple as she wanted to look at things from there spec! Also becausw she she claimed to be the master of fame doesn't mean she is actually, don't u do stuff that u say to urself 'am ready! I know how to dodge all the bullets' then u get hit by the ones u didn't plan for? Gaga actually grew up. After her surgery, she woke up to the absence of her managers and those who she trusted (even tho they all had the same goal of making/being the biggest star in the world) but she woke up to non of them insight and she re-evaluated her life, I can guess she started doubting her knowledge of fame after that blow was dealt and the things that seemed important started to change. She doesn't wish tragedy on herself although at one point I saw Gaga as somebody that will plan an entrance for her own funeral, but that's what being young is all about and Gaga was young! You can't dig into articles about beyonce, Madonna and any of ur idol from the past because u didn't watch their careers grow and hence don't know how they sounded initially, except u are a 60 year old woman but even then u won't have accurate comprehension. To cut the long story short, Gaga just wants to show she's human who loves fame and wants to be famous while being vulnerable and as sensitive as anyone but if that's not good enough for u, u can just stream Joanne and watch everything she uploads on YouTube except her interviews were she seems to get vulnerable and speak about her fears. That way u will retain the little you liked about her and you will be alright Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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