Trump team preparing Muslim registry, wall

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Besides this giant waste of time and money that Homeland Security has already deemed as redundant...

"Kobach said the immigration group had also discussed ways of overturning President Barack Obama’s 2012 executive action that has granted temporary deportation relief and work permits to more than 700,000 undocumented people or “dreamers” who came to the United States as children of illegal immigrants." 

@Morphine Prince You should make a separate thread about the above. 

 

Now, Frank Gaffney is involved with Trump's transition team.  Gaffney is a Muslim hating, conspiracy theorist. The basket of deplorables is adding more disgusting people everyday. 

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2 hours ago, Altair said:

Holocaust in the US? 

Seems like it 

Gurl, the holocaust was a historical event. It's like saying "Fall of the Berlin wall" happening in the USA?

And the issue is far more complex. Even IF Muslim get into a database it would be based on Religion while the Jewish persecution in Europe is based on blood/ethnicity

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23 minutes ago, Simon said:

Gurl, the holocaust was a historical event. It's like saying "Fall of the Berlin wall" happening in the USA?

And the issue is far more complex. Even IF Muslim get into a database it would be based on Religion while the Jewish persecution in Europe is based on blood/ethnicity

Oh okay so it's okay to persecute someone for their religion? 

Awesome thanks for the clarification. 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, Altair said:

Oh okay so it's okay to persecute someone for their religion? 

Awesome thanks for the clarification. 

ofc not

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23 minutes ago, Simon said:

Gurl, the holocaust was a historical event. It's like saying "Fall of the Berlin wall" happening in the USA?

And the issue is far more complex. Even IF Muslim get into a database it would be based on Religion while the Jewish persecution in Europe is based on blood/ethnicity

 

I knew you'll jump on him for that comment and completely ignore the seriousness of this topic. 

SO WHAT IF IT'S BASED ON RELIGION AND NOT ETHNICITY, DOES IT MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE?! 

 

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5 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

I knew you'll jump on him for that comment and completely ignore the seriousness of this topic. 

SO WHAT IF IT'S BASED ON RELIGION AND NOT ETHNICITY, DOES IT MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE?! 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

ofc not

 

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Just now, Simon said:

 

though it's easier to flee on it (e.g changing religion, though it's of course not good nevertheless) 

 

WHAT IN THE WORLD?!!

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1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

though it's easier to flee on it (e.g changing religion, though it's of course not good nevertheless) 

Simon.....  

Just stop right there for your own sake 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, YourSweet666 said:

 

WHAT IN THE WORLD?!!

Calm down? I just said that religious based persecution ,which is bad, can be avoided by changing religions for example. Black people couldn't change their skin color and Jews couldn't change the heritage when they got persecuted. Religious persecution is still not good.

 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, Morphine Prince said:

Simon.....  

Just stop right there for your own sake 

I think I'm just being misinterpreted, I'm sorry for confusion. I didn't want say is good what Trump is doing or that it is less harmful. 

[lego 44,165]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

Calm down? I just said that religious based persecution ,which is bad, can be avoided by changing religions for example. Black people couldn't change their skin color and Jews couldn't change the heritage when they got persecuted. Religious persecution is still not good.

 

 

 

So all the convert Jews, without Jewish mother or ability to track their roots, who were persecuted actually had it easier, cause they could just change their religion, is that what you are saying??

Because it sounds like that. 

 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, YourSweet666 said:

 

 

So all the convert Jews, without Jewish mother or ability to track their roots, who were persecuted actually had it easier, cause they could just change their religion, is that what you are saying??

Because it sounds like that. 

 

I don't know much about the story of people who converted to Judaism during that time. But they could just prove that they had "aryan" background and that's it. The Holocaust was a "racially" motivated atrocity against Jews and Roma. there is a difference between religious persecution which ,as I said and I repeat myself now, is bad

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1 hour ago, YourSweet666 said:

Aaanyway not surprised after THIS

 

 

 

 

It just gets worse every day smh 

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3 minutes ago, Simon said:

I don't know much about the story of people who converted to Judaism during that time. But they could just prove that they had "aryan" background and that's it. The Holocaust was a "racially" motivated atrocity against Jews and Roma. there is a difference between religious persecution which ,as I said and I repeat myself now, is bad

 

Then why did you bring  up "it's more complex, not based on ethnicity/can be avoided"? 

Christian persecution is not that bad, cause it can be avoided, they could just convert to other religion or become atheist, is this what you are saying?

It sounds like you are justifying religious persecution. Most of the people are not ready or willing to give up on their faith because government wants to keep registry based on their religion, but they will be targeted. This is also connected with racial profiling of everyone who "looks Middle Eastern/brown". And they can't change that. 

 

[Melech 9,900]

3 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Then why did you bring  up "it's more complex, not based on ethnicity/can be avoided"? 

Christian persecution is not that bad, cause it can be avoided, they could just convert to other religion or become atheist, is this what you are saying?

It sounds like you are justifying religious persecution. Most of the people are not ready or willing to give up on their faith because government wants to keep registry based on their religion, but they will be targeted. This is also connected with racial profiling of everyone who "looks Middle Eastern/brown". And they can't change that. 

 

How do I justify it when I condemn it? It sounds like you just want to put words in my mouth. 

Racial profiling is another thing and a problem because they try to make something an ethnicity which isn't and this can be harmful for Muslims and brown Non-Muslims as well.