Gaga is flopping on streaming because of Troy

[Akiki 3,900]

Just unleash John Wayne!!!! 

Hire some cowboys to drive muscle cars in LA's Downtown while gaga dance the hell out. Gimme dat Tarantinos death proof MV! 

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

6 hours ago, Creyk said:

Troy Carter is clearly sabotaging her.

Spotify had Gaga as their main header/banner during release, and they made a playlist "This is Lady Gaga" right before Joanne's release and kept it promoted in the browse section for about a week. I don't think this is the case. She legitimately needs a good single promo rollout for people to know the song exists, and then the streams should follow.

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4 hours ago, lordmaler said:

The album is bad. Simple as that. You may like it but deal with the facts that songs are not catchy/there's no replay value, most of them are slow or mid-tempo songs and people are not here for that.

So throwing money for promo is useless. Also she is already well built persona so she doesn't really need it. She visited radios to talk about it, blogs and web pages informed people that it's out. She is announced as Super Bowl act + her Trump meltdown got her free promo worldwide.

So you can't blame anyone or say there's lack of promo. People who wanted to check her new album, checked it and that's all.

I agree to an extent. The album isn't bad, it's just boring. There's no replay value, and aside from a few songs, there's nothing really exciting on it.. 

 

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6 hours ago, kvnrp said:

Dancin in Circles, A-YO, PI and John Wayne would go very well tbh

A-YO is basically Shake it off and that sh*t is still playing

I'm so pissed that Gagas material has become so,
"unapproachable" for the GP, and it's not even Gagas fault

Even for her "older" hits, most people are like "no thank you"

because it's not cool to like her

only reason sadly

[HOTNebraskaGuy 19,547]

I ready the title as Tony and was ready to read some pure BS. 

[HOTNebraskaGuy 19,547]

1 minute ago, Kattys said:

because it's not cool to like her

only reason sadly

She should've changed her name back just to mess with people lol. 

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30 minutes ago, lordmaler said:

It's even worse than ARTPOP. ARTPOP was A mess and production was so bland and empty, but there were some songs what had SOME single potential (wouldn't be smashes but would do ok on the radio)

And girl...I understand that you like this album but trashing masterpiece that is The Fame... 

I don't have any "vendetta" against country/folk. Also I would rather say it's more rock/folk with a bit of country sound. It's just that structure of these songs are bad, every song feel flat and just goes nowhere. Also the way she pronounce some words on this album is so awful.

So yeah.

 

Nnn... Joanne has so much potential as well. We cannot ignore the potential singles Diamond Heart, A-YO, John Wayne, Dancin in Circles, PI, MR, Hey Girl even. What does ARTPOP have? Applause, DWUW, G.U.Y. (which flopped severely despite its excellent potential and given Zedd's presence then), Sexxx Dreams, MANiCURE, Gypsy? 7/11 tracks on Joanne (Standard) are/were single worthy 6/15 which isn't even more than half. And before you pull the "GP non-friendly singles" argument, there have been plenty of such singles in the past and recent years which have received heavy airplay worldwide

Also, let's be real here, The Fame is pretty great album but it is not Gaga's best. There are so many filler tracks, more so than on Joanne and Born This Way, but definitely not as much as ARTPOP (bless her semi-floppy soul) 

Moral of the story, nothing trumps ARTPOP as Gaga's worst album (not saying it is a bad album, but I consider it Gaga's worst solo album out of the five that she's released). Joanne is leagues above ARTPOP in that it does not rely as much on clichéd lyrics or production—bar A-YO, Sinner's Prayer, and Diamond Heart—and not having Gaga be forced to play a caricature of herself in the sake of fulfilling the image which others expected from her at the time of the ARTPOP era

In terms of Joanne being greater than The Fame, they share similar variety in their lyrics but The Fame falls short in that it does not have the production longevity that Joanne, The Fame Monster, and, to a lesser extent, Born This Way have. Yeah, it was innovative for its time and yeah The Fame was and is a great pop album, but the poor thing can't hold its own. It sounds dated as hell production wise and it hasn't even been a decade since its release. Paparazzi, Brown Eyes, Summerboy and Again, Again are the only tracks which grow better with age. It's one of the reasons I don't appreciate RedOne's early or current production. It's why I appreciate Mark because his production style will ensure that Joanne won't sound so dated eight years from now

 

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5 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

Nnn... Joanne has so much potential as well. We cannot ignore the potential singles Diamond Heart, A-YO, John Wayne, Dancin in Circles, PI, MR, Hey Girl even.

Perfect Illusion proved its' potential already 

IMO all of these songs have zero potential to smash or even do well as singles.

Maybe BUT MAYBE Dancing In Circles, but that sh*tty radio thing for not playing explicit songs would kill it. 

I understand that you love these songs but you have to be objective. For example I LOVE Florence's song Conductor and it was and still is on replay a lot, but I know that this song as single would never succeed or help to boost her career.

5 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

What does ARTPOP have? Applause, DWUW, G.U.Y. (which flopped severely despite its excellent potential and given Zedd's presence then), Sexxx Dreams, MANiCURE, Gypsy? 7/11 tracks on Joanne (Standard) are/were single worthy 6/15 which isn't even more than half. And before you pull the "GP non-friendly singles" argument, there have been plenty of such singles in the past and recent years which have received heavy airplay worldwide

Venus had potential. 

All big radio station don't play explicit songs. It's a rule and a fact.

5 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

Also, let's be real here, The Fame is pretty great album but it is not Gaga's best. There are so many filler tracks, more so than on Joanne and Born This Way, but definitely not as much as ARTPOP (bless her semi-floppy soul) 

The only song that I skip is Again, again and the rest is pretty listenable. They could milk that album even more.

5 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

Moral of the story, nothing trumps ARTPOP as Gaga's worst album (not saying it is a bad album, but I consider it Gaga's worst solo album out of the five that she's released). Joanne is leagues above ARTPOP in that it does not rely as much on clichéd lyrics or production—bar A-YO, Sinner's Prayer, and Diamond Heart—and not having Gaga be forced to play a caricature of herself in the sake of fulfilling the image which others expected from her at the time of the ARTPOP era

I don't think she was caricature of herself. It's just the thing that she reached next level of being crazy and edgy but it didn't match the music so it felt stupid and bad instead of artsy.

5 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

In terms of Joanne being greater than The Fame, they share similar variety in their lyrics but The Fame falls short in that it does not have the production longevity that Joanne, The Fame Monster, and, to a lesser extent, Born This Way have.

5 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

Yeah, it was innovative for its time and yeah The Fame was and is a great pop album, but the poor thing can't hold its own. It sounds dated as hell production wise and it hasn't even been a decade since its release.

The lack of your musical knowledge shines here. Like I mentioned before there is NO DATED MUSIC.

If you still want to follow that path and calling it dated, Joanne is actually album that should be called "dated". It recreates sounds from 60' and 70' while The Fame is inspired by 90' and scratches a bit of 80' but it's packed with, back then, futuristic synths.

5 minutes ago, CowSiss said:

Paparazzi, Brown Eyes, Summerboy and Again, Again are the only tracks which grow better with age. It's one of the reasons I don't appreciate RedOne's early or current production. It's why I appreciate Mark because his production style will ensure that Joanne won't sound so dated eight years from now

Joanne is that piece that won't be remembered outside of this fanbase. It has nothing with Lady Gaga brand. It's just album that consists styles/sounds of other musicians.

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12 minutes ago, lordmaler said:

Perfect Illusion proved its' potential already 

IMO all of these songs have zero potential to smash or even do well as singles.

Maybe BUT MAYBE Dancing In Circles, but that sh*tty radio thing for not playing explicit songs would kill it. 

I understand that you love these songs but you have to be objective. For example I LOVE Florence's song Conductor and it was and still is on replay a lot, but I know that this song as single would never succeed or help to boost her career.

We're talking about potential to smash, not the actual outcome. G.U.Y. had potential to smash but it did not, same happened with PI. This fanbase would be shook about PI if it wasn't released as a debut or promo single, and it would fall under potential single category alongside the other singles that I listed

14 minutes ago, lordmaler said:

Venus had potential. 

All big radio station don't play explicit songs. It's a rule and a fact.

So what was Panda? What was Love Me Harder? What was Blurred Lines? What was Anaconda? What was Poker Face? WHAT WAS LOVEGAME? There are so many explicit, or rather explicitly suggestive, songs that have been released on radios. All of these songs are explicit to varying degrees and for variant reasons. If you mean to suggest that radios play clean versions of songs, I will give you that, but LoveGame, for instance, was not lyrically explicit but sexually suggestive on a level that many songs nowadays can even think to get away with

18 minutes ago, lordmaler said:

The only song that I skip is Again, again and the rest is pretty listenable. They could milk that album even more.

I'm not saying it's not listenable. What I am saying is that production wise (key phrase: production wise, as in the production of the song itself, not the song on a superficial level) The Fame cannot hold itself up in todays market as various new and shifting trends in production have taken place since 2008, enough so that The Fame's production seems dated. It's not about liking the song or not, my argument stems from the songs' production and how it holds up in today's pop music market

21 minutes ago, lordmaler said:

I don't think she was caricature of herself. It's just the thing that she reached next level of being crazy and edgy but it didn't match the music so it felt stupid and bad instead of artsy.

I'll give you that this is very subjective, but to me it seemed as if Gaga was intentionally trying to be provocative, not subtly. Same thing happened with Madonna and Erotica and that pulled her down greatly

22 minutes ago, lordmaler said:

The lack of your musical knowledge shines here. Like I mentioned before there is NO DATED MUSIC.

If you still want to follow that path and calling it dated, Joanne is actually album that should be called "dated". It recreates sounds from 60' and 70' while The Fame is inspired by 90' and scratches a bit of 80' but it's packed with, back then, futuristic synths.

Again, I'm talking about the production of the songs, not the songs as a whole respectively. This goes to show your lack of both reading comprehension and music knowledge. Additionally, just because a song draws influences from previous eras in music, that does not suggest that the songs are dated in the production sense. There are songs and albums from the 60s, 70s, 80s whose production style sounds extremely dated but indicative of the unique production techniques of those respective eras in music. Again, I am arguing from the point of the production itself, not a song as it is as a whole. Furthermore, very few albums can hold there production up to modern shifts in a certain genre, and I believe Joanne is one of them and the one that will have a production longevity  thanks to Mark's production which isn't so reliant on artificially created or manipulated synths and instead goes for a more organic feel, all but for DiC which is probably going to become the most dated song on Joanne as it is heavily reliant on the current trend of trop house/dancehall pop

25 minutes ago, lordmaler said:

Joanne is that piece that won't be remembered outside of this fanbase. It has nothing with Lady Gaga brand. It's just album that consists styles/sounds of other musicians.

It's too early to say whether Joanne will be remembered outside the fanbase in a sense of mainstream appeal as the albums hasn't even been out for two weeks. But it definitely is one of Gaga's most unique and delineated albums (in terms of her previous solo endeavors) to date. If you believe that the album consists of styles/sounds of other musicians, then what is The Fame and what is The Fame Monster; both albums are heavily dependent on RedOne's uniquely prominent production as is Joanne's production with Mark's. To say that an album consists of styles/sounds of other musicians is stating the obvious unless Gaga personally produced the whole album by herself, which she did not nor any album up to now in her career for that matter

[Creyk 17,805]

10 hours ago, HOTNGaga said:

I ready the title as Tony and was ready to read some pure BS. 

That would have been a hilarious thread

Tony sabotaging Gaga's solo carreer so she runs back to him to record C3C

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When ayo was about to be the second single I saw it on multiple playlists even the ones that show up on the feature page I don't think this is true I just think gaga doesn't do well spotify wise because she hasnt had a huge hit since Spotify became popular

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Gaga needs to call her old friend controversy and crazyinees 1st 

I pray everyday she doesn't let DH flop it deserves an amazing video I pray she works with Tarantino for SP/JW and I pray the Joanne Monster exist and is filled with the music we wanted 

she needs to promote her album properly and actually release shookin videos it's like sometimes she wants to flop..... Honestly this album has so much potential. 

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9 hours ago, lordmaler said:

Perfect Illusion proved its' potential already 

IMO all of these songs have zero potential to smash or even do well as singles.

Maybe BUT MAYBE Dancing In Circles, but that sh*tty radio thing for not playing explicit songs would kill it. 

I understand that you love these songs but you have to be objective. For example I LOVE Florence's song Conductor and it was and still is on replay a lot, but I know that this song as single would never succeed or help to boost her career.

Venus had potential. 

All big radio station don't play explicit songs. It's a rule and a fact.

The only song that I skip is Again, again and the rest is pretty listenable. They could milk that album even more.

I don't think she was caricature of herself. It's just the thing that she reached next level of being crazy and edgy but it didn't match the music so it felt stupid and bad instead of artsy.

The lack of your musical knowledge shines here. Like I mentioned before there is NO DATED MUSIC.

If you still want to follow that path and calling it dated, Joanne is actually album that should be called "dated". It recreates sounds from 60' and 70' while The Fame is inspired by 90' and scratches a bit of 80' but it's packed with, back then, futuristic synths.

Joanne is that piece that won't be remembered outside of this fanbase. It has nothing with Lady Gaga brand. It's just album that consists styles/sounds of other musicians.

Everything you said here was just precise! 

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What's the excuse for YouTube?

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8 hours ago, CowSiss said:

We're talking about potential to smash, not the actual outcome. G.U.Y. had potential to smash but it did not, same happened with PI. This fanbase would be shook about PI if it wasn't released as a debut or promo single, and it would fall under potential single category alongside the other singles that I listed

Like I already said, whole ARTPOP album production sounds bland and empty. Thin drums, synths... So G.U.Y. never meant to be smash. Even Venus that should have been pushed as European single would never be number one on the radio and charts. Maybe would be high, but not number one.

And I don't think that PI would shook anyone. Some fans here said it's the worst track on album when it came out. If you look at whole album, that song is heavy filler. That song is pushed as single just to blurry our eyes that this is POP album. This is alternative album.

8 hours ago, CowSiss said:

So what was Panda? What was Love Me Harder? What was Blurred Lines? What was Anaconda? What was Poker Face? WHAT WAS LOVEGAME? There are so many explicit, or rather explicitly suggestive, songs that have been released on radios. All of these songs are explicit to varying degrees and for variant reasons. If you mean to suggest that radios play clean versions of songs, I will give you that, but LoveGame, for instance, was not lyrically explicit but sexually suggestive on a level that many songs nowadays can even think to get away with

You are right here. Then it might be played on the radio.

But still it's the only song with ''worldwide'' appeal and it can't carry this whole album.

This album is purely crafted for American market.

8 hours ago, CowSiss said:

I'm not saying it's not listenable. What I am saying is that production wise (key phrase: production wise, as in the production of the song itself, not the song on a superficial level) The Fame cannot hold itself up in todays market as various new and shifting trends in production have taken place since 2008, enough so that The Fame's production seems dated. It's not about liking the song or not, my argument stems from the songs' production and how it holds up in today's pop music market

Production wise Joanne isn't following trends either. She served us something what Taylor Swift served back in 200*? I don't know the year, I am not fan of her music. Then No Doubt, Elton John...but all from the past. And no one is asking her to follow trends. She created one, but abandoned it so fast.

Also the sound of The Fame was not trendy when it came out, but you saw what happened. And for your informartion songs from TF/TFM are still on the radio. And I posted you a thread of The Fame going back to BB200. Since a lot of people here already have their own copy or few of TF and 90% of this forum is screaming that they are over with it, it's pretty clear that non-fans bought/streamed it. So there's demand for that sound. GP wants that REAL Gaga that happened in 2008.

The longevity of it lies in RedOne's production. He is creating songs that are fun, catchy and very radio friendly and especially playable in the clubs. If you hit the clubs with your songs there is a big posibility that album will have longevity. It's served to the masses. And none of the pop girls is doing that now. Market was opened, hype was created when it was announced that they two are working together, but everything disappeared since she scrapped whole album.

That's why Joanne won't happen. It's slow and boring. You can't play it in the clubs and it's simply not Gaga.

8 hours ago, CowSiss said:

I'll give you that this is very subjective, but to me it seemed as if Gaga was intentionally trying to be provocative, not subtly. Same thing happened with Madonna and Erotica and that pulled her down greatly

Everything would be forgiven if the music was good. If she pulled meat dress during the ARTPOP, critics wouldn't be cute at all.

8 hours ago, CowSiss said:

Again, I'm talking about the production of the songs, not the songs as a whole respectively. This goes to show your lack of both reading comprehension and music knowledge. Additionally, just because a song draws influences from previous eras in music, that does not suggest that the songs are dated in the production sense. There are songs and albums from the 60s, 70s, 80s whose production style sounds extremely dated but indicative of the unique production techniques of those respective eras in music. Again, I am arguing from the point of the production itself, not a song as it is as a whole. Furthermore, very few albums can hold there production up to modern shifts in a certain genre, and I believe Joanne is one of them and the one that will have a production longevity  thanks to Mark's production which isn't so reliant on artificially created or manipulated synths and instead goes for a more organic feel, all but for DiC which is probably going to become the most dated song on Joanne as it is heavily reliant on the current trend of trop house/dancehall pop

I explained to you up.

Just because something has ''organic feel'' doesn't mean that it will be good or remembered. Her biggest hits are not organic. Look at Perfect Illusion. It's like alternative song that is so trying hard to be pop. Production on it is so bad. The drums sound weak for a pop song, bass is also weak. The STRUCTURE is catastrophic. There is no transition from verses to chorus. It just go nowhere. Mastering and mixing are good but they can't help it since there's no memorable melody there. So what production longevity are you talking about since the lead single is already dead and so is every song on this album. Some people here are already done with it. There was a thread but I can't find it.

And AGAIN I wouldn't use word DATED.

Out there, there are a lot of musician with this type of album and they will never happen and you probably don't even know that they exists. My country is full of people who are creating this basic ''organic'' type of sound. No one is buying their albums or even stream it.

Understand that this album is not created for the masses. It's not fun and it can't be played in the clubs.

8 hours ago, CowSiss said:

It's too early to say whether Joanne will be remembered outside the fanbase in a sense of mainstream appeal as the albums hasn't even been out for two weeks. But it definitely is one of Gaga's most unique and delineated albums (in terms of her previous solo endeavors) to date. If you believe that the album consists of styles/sounds of other musicians, then what is The Fame and what is The Fame Monster; both albums are heavily dependent on RedOne's uniquely prominent production as is Joanne's production with Mark's. To say that an album consists of styles/sounds of other musicians is stating the obvious unless Gaga personally produced the whole album by herself, which she did not nor any album up to now in her career for that matter

It's been few weeks and you can already see the results. Super Bowl might boost her sales a bit IN AMERICA [worldwide if she put on an iconic show], but these songs will never see huge success since you can only listen to them in your bedroom and they are not traditional GAGA.

I think that she should stick to RedOne for every album. She can experiment with other producers, but always keep his production on album since he is carrying her original/traditional Gaga sound.  At least 5 songs which is enough to carry album with singles.