Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Imagine SJW get top positions in whatever council decides this. What's so bad about that? Do you think like a weird blogger that posts pictures of kitties with the hashtag #killallmen is what a SJW is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga Monster 13,001 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Azor Ahai said: So we shouldn't change something just because it's super old? Like just because it's tradition? Any other arguements for it? Also congrats at your "omg no freeze peach= soviet union=bad " arguement The electoral college was put into placed so a few areas out of thousands, won't determine who wins the elections like a few big cities out of thousands and thousands of towns. If Hillary won the electoral vote, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but because she lost, we have to change everything because we didn't get our way. And free speech is a right, we aren't a communist country, free speech is guaranteed. If what people say has to be controlled, this is not a free country. GGD Presidential Elections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said: She does the right to be against it, but we have been using this system set up by our founding fathers and I am sure if Hillary won the electoral vote and Trump won the popular vote, Gaga wouldn't be complaining. It is a constitutional right to be able to speak whatever you want to speak. That is our countries constitution and should not be infringed. This is not a communist country. Do you realize that the constitution has changed? It's not the same the founding fathers wrote years ago. Without any change made in the constitution the country would be a mess. And no, you can't be sure of anything because it didn't happen. Clinton won the popular vote and that's it. The majority of America chose Hillary Clinton and the system failed America once again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyDWUW 3,971 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 22 minutes ago, Bloody said: she will take long time to recover from this And so will one half of America . The day after the election felt like a day of mourning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga Monster 13,001 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, DrewStevens said: Do you realize that the constitution has changed? It's not the same the founding fathers wrote years ago. Without any change made in the constitution the country would be a mess. And no, you can't be sure of anything because it didn't happen. Clinton won the popular vote and that's it. The majority of America chose Hillary Clinton and the system failed America once again. So you want your free speech to be taken away from you and others? This is America, you can say what you want to say. GGD Presidential Elections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Just now, Gaga Monster said: The electoral college was put into placed so a few areas out of thousands, won't determine who wins the elections like a few big cities out of thousands and thousands of towns. If Hillary won the electoral vote, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but because she lost, we have to change everything because we didn't get our way. And free speech is a right, we aren't a communist country, free speech is guaranteed. If what people say has to be controlled, this is not a free country. But if the big cities have more people then why should cities with smaller populations decide the same? And yet if someone run into your face and called you names or harassed you verbally you would and should press charges against him. How is that not the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,713 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said: The electoral college was put into placed so a few areas out of thousands, won't determine who wins the elections like a few big cities out of thousands and thousands of towns. If Hillary won the electoral vote, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but because she lost, we have to change everything because we didn't get our way. And free speech is a right, we aren't a communist country, free speech is guaranteed. If what people say has to be controlled, this is not a free country. It makes more sense tho the current system in the US (and in many countries) makes it that who ever gets more votes doesnt always win which is kinda dumb i think Here in Canada the same thing can happen where the party that wins (and therefore the prime minister) may not always necessairily have gotten the most votes from the people Here in Canada it would be hard to change that because its very party oriented. The Prime Minister is simply the party leader of the party with most seats But in America the President is somewhat more independant and u can even have prisidents run as independants. A change to poplar vote in US could work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagu 1,928 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said: So you want your free speech to be taken away from you and others? This is America, you can say what you want to say. no one said that free speech =/= hate speech are you ok with hate speech? "Jezus iz a biskweeeet!" [Kenya Michaels] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I disagree because it shows the true colors of candidates like trump, i rather know what were getting into. But I see her point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuMetal 68 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 the electoral college isnt the culprit here, its a good compromise so smaller states dont feel unrepresented as that is justification for secession or revolution just like we revolted when we weren't represented in parliament. the rural areas have issues that are geographically distinct from cities that deserve to be addressed by politicians and popular vote leaves them out to dry. morally, popular vote isn't something i can support the winner take all system that the states use that is the culprit. divide the electoral votes by percentage votes and you get a more accurate representation of what he country wants. i think this can be changed at the state level and the constitution does not have to be amended though you need all states to get on board and i don't think you'll convince the smaller states or republican states to give it up Upset the Established Order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Evans 8,917 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 24 minutes ago, Gaga Monster said: First she wants to get rid of the voting system we have by going against the electoral colleges votes, and now she wants to take away part of the first amendment. This is the USA! electoral votes is a flawed system- just because the founding fathers put it in place doesn't mean it's sacred there have been only 4 instances of a candidate losing the election while winning the popular vote and Hillary was one of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azor Ahai 18,861 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Economy said: It makes more sense tho the current system in the US (and in many countries) makes it that who ever gets more votes doesnt always win which is kinda dumb i think Here in Canada the same thing can happen where the party that wins (and therefore the prime minister) may not always necessairily have gotten the most votes from the people Here in Canada it would be hard to change that because its very party oriented. The Prime Minister is simply the party leader of the party with most seats But in America the President is somewhat more independant and u can even have prisidents run as independants. A change to poplar vote in US could work Yes exactly. In place where they pick the Prime Minister they also pick the local representatives and the whole party. In the US you just pick 2 names. The electral college is not needed at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Gaga Monster said: So you want your free speech to be taken away from you and others? This is America, you can say what you want to say. Lol freedom of speech doesn't mean you won't face any repercussions for expressing yourself. By your logic teachers should be allowed to teach derogatory terms in class just because it's America and we are all free to say whatever we want. Illegal is a weird term to use but saying that presidential candidates should be disqualified by law for using hate speech makes a lot of sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear 7,515 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I completely understand her but I don't think it would have helped in this case. Using hate speech should always be enough to ruin a candidate's chance of presidency, and when it's scarily not you know your problem lies a lot deeper than with the candidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I don't know. While I don't agree with anything hateful that Trump or anyone else may say, speech like that, to me, just demonstrates how dangerous they are. If a candidate truly believes the awful things they say, I'd rather they were upfront about it so I know who NOT to vote for. Unfortunately in this case, people still wanted him despite it. Sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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