MonsterPaws 2,726 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Goosey said: Demagoguery != hate speech. Offensive != hate speech. Trump said nothing that could be prosecuted as hate speech. Didn't he call Mexicans dirty rapists or something along those lines? So if hate (stress on "hate") speech isn't offensive then what is it? As for demagoguery, I agree generally it doesn't include hate speech by definition, but it doesn't involve gaining support by appealing to their prejudices...which I'm pretty sure happened with Trump, but you're the Trump expert. You tell me. EDIT: Gaining supporters* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, MonsterPaws said: Didn't he call Mexicans dirty rapists or something along those lines? Nope. He said some illegal immigrants are rapists. This is not hate speech. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterPaws 2,726 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Just now, Goosey said: Nope. He said some illegal immigrants are rapists. This is not hate speech. Okay then. Didn't he ridicule a disabled journalist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Goosey said: They don't harass families of gay people, they harass funerals of anyone, but soldiers in particular. They claim God is punishing America. And they are perhaps the worst example, but I think the court's decision was important. What Gaga said should be illegal was not even close to Snyder v. Phelps. As I said before: Trump said NOTHING that would be prosecuted as hate speech, yet she said his rhetoric should be illegal because it is "offensive". That's scary. Luckily there is the Constitution, so... no. How would you feel about demagoguery being criminal then? Hate speech and demagoguery, especially the latter can and do often lead to real life violence against groups of people, it also spreads irrational fear amongst crowds and masses. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 6 hours ago, Heidi Montag said: I see no lies though Gross 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagas love 722 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 yeah but then what constitutes "hate" will be a big ethical dilema Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEANGT 5,279 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Finally someone with a platform saying what needs to be said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Making something illegal is per se hate derivative. So learn to embrace both sides of the world. There's Yin and There's Yang. The world cannot exist without one or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayum 240 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 8 hours ago, PunkTheFunk said: IMO, if your speech can potentially put someone in danger or take away their basic human rights, it should be illegal Sounds like what every police officer thinks about a black man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaMyBlood95 9,915 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Well us too Gaga, but you know that's not gonna happen in the recent future.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkSpectre0 547 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Unfortunately this wouldn't have helped. You could classify more under 'fighting words' but we all know politicians know how to dog whistle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Except even in places where hate speech is illegal, the things Trump has said would not be admissible by any court or authority as being hate speech. The VP-elect on the other hand.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Goosey said: Nope. He said some illegal immigrants are rapists. This is not hate speech. 4 hours ago, MonsterPaws said: Okay then. Didn't he ridicule a disabled journalist? No, no, he said "SOME, I ASSUME, ARE GOOD PEOPLE", he assumes that some are good! He implied that majority are criminals! FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 10 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said: No, no, he said "SOME, I ASSUME, ARE GOOD PEOPLE", he assumes that some are good! He implied that majority are criminals! Doesn't matter. In free countries we don't lock people up for that. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Goosey said: Doesn't matter. In free countries we don't lock people up for that. It matters, because you tried to make his words sound less offensive. I wasn't talking anything about locking up. Not gonna comment on your ignorant suggestion that European countries are not free. You should travel a bit. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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