Lithuania Prepares For Russian Invasion

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10 hours ago, gagu said:

I think it's not true, it may be just a media thing. Tbh if something was really happening it would be on every news report and social media 

Read this article, there's a conference with Putin himself saying he's not going to invade

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3881346/Putin-gearing-hot-war-doesn-t-want-attack-West-provoked-Syria-warns-former-British-Ambassador.html

 

The daily mail? That's the one news outlet you never link honey

 

 

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This is not good news 

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omg......

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10 hours ago, PartySick said:

He would fight it for sure though. He's already talked about dropping out of NATO and uses the fear of a war with Russia against Hillary, as if she'll be the instigator in that situation.

I also feel like he's much more likely to set off the nuclear war we're all scared of. Here's hoping that's an irrational fear though.

The United States population CAN'T let that man rule the nuclear program of the US.

 

He's going to get all of us killed.

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3 hours ago, Simon said:

China has too much buisiness in Europe to get involved in it. Same goes to Iran. And Syria is an overall mess

What about North Korea? That man wants to walk in the sun, he probably thinks nulcear bombs are something funny

Bc whie we are talking here they're growing their basement

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To be honest the world has been heading towards conflict for a while now. If the superpowers are going to destroy each other, might as well get started.

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37 minutes ago, high heeled fem said:

The daily mail? That's the one news outlet you never link honey

 

 

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This is not good news 

I wanted to put the attention on the video actually, anyway I just want to know the truth (honey) so I looked for multiple sources.. but if lithuanians are saying it's true then I can't argue, I am european too and I just find odd that I've never heard of this before.

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10 minutes ago, gagu said:

I wanted to put the attention on the video actually, anyway I just want to know the truth (honey) so I looked for multiple sources.. but if lithuanians are saying it's true then I can't argue, I am european too and I just find odd that I've never heard of this before.

It's probably because it's from the DM, that website is trash sadly. I hope nothing comes from it and you stay safe, all the best 

Putin is more crooked than trump -- Not trustworthy don't believe his lies 

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8 hours ago, Simon said:

Do you think that Hitler was justified to invade Czech Republic because parts of it had a huge German population ? 

So you think invading Ukraine and Georgia was a good thing to do?  It's only a matter of time when those countries join the NATO and EU, wether Russia likes or not. 

 

I know you don't like it, but living in a US-dominated world is way better than living in a Russian. So, it's good that Europeans and Americans show a tough site. But Nato or EU won't start an attack on Russia. That's stupid

Excuse me for not clarifying this from the very start, but I was not trying to justify the position of Russian army or Russian foreign policy in any way! Sorry that I wrote it in a way that made me easy to be misunderstood 

I was just trying to give the general idea about the intentions behind the actions of their army officials now. They (Russians) are not about to start invading Lithuania in a way similar to Georgia and Ukraine, I was just trying to point out that it's so completely different from Ukraine case that the comparisons are stupid. 

What many people seem to underestimate is the fact that Russian army is always in the state of fear of the foreign attack - a trauma inherited through just a couple of generations (the Nazi attack on Soviet Union was sudden and devastating). Now that they are about to renew their nuclear arsenal, they fear that NATO might try to stop them from it in a military way, using force. That's why they (Russians) are trying to hedge the risk of NATO attack from Lithuania (Lithuania is a member of NATO, after all, and would be a swell place to start an attack on Russian considering it would just take an airplane half an hour to reach Moscow from there). 

I am not trying to justify invading Georgia or Ukraine, or to justify Hitler's annexation of Czech Republic    I was just trying to give a bit of an insight into Russia's military officials point of view, no matter how stupid or dated, and to point to the fact that Russians are unlikely to invade a NATO country unless NATO might wish to use Lithuania as a starting spot for its attack on Russia. Considering the low probability of the NATO attack on Russia, Russia's attack on Lithuania is as well unlikely, and the panic is an exaggeration, and the comparisons to Georgia and Ukraine are wrong. It's like making a forecast that the USA will bomb Cuba because they have bombed Yugoslavia, Iraq and Lybia. 

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14 hours ago, BlaqJezus said:

I agree with a lot of this, but NATO putting pressure is helpful and needed against Russia. Putin being in control there, is obvious to the rest of the world, that there is an issue with the government there. NATO will not be the first to attack, but I can tell you that they will protect Lithuania, and the US will be among the first to step in no matter who is president.

China/US relations are paramount to the protection of the Baltic states outside Russia, and to keeping the most world order. I don't want another world war, but Putin is the sort of woubded animal mentality, if tested, he will strike out. Let us hope he knows his bounds and the current military strength of those who would oppose him. I have no doubt that the military technological advancement of the west, particularly the US, would increase more quickly in correlation with possible upcoming wartime (if it hasn't already).

As someone who gets to live in Russia, I can tell you that putting pressure by NATO is one of the reasons Putin has an 80% approval rating in this country even though he barely scored over 60% when he got re-elected in 2012. 

The inintial plan by NATO of placing the radar stations and the elements of the global missile defense system in Eastern Europe could have worked out well. Had these plans been fully implemented, 60% of Russia's nuclear arsenal would become useless, which would doubtlessly make Putin and his team less "adventurous" and more eager for dialogue. The US would have more influence over Russian foreign policy in such a case. 

Now that Russia is on the verge of mastering the production of the hypersonic missiles that sh*ts all over any defense system in the world, the world is about to enter the stage of its history, where, once again, Russia and the USA will have the most upgraded weapons of mass destruction - the weapons of new generation, so dangerous that there can be no defense system against either hypersonic missile or hypersonic airplane. 

Such a scenario favors Putin and his team more, because Russia re-emerges as a military superpower that it once was. For example, it would make it nearly impossible to continue any negotiations over Syria, because with a couple of hypersonic weapons in his pocket Putin will feel a lot more confident than he feels now, and will push for his position harder than ever. 

Putin wishes to re-establish the Yalta-Potsdam system of world relationship. As horrific as the Cold War was with its constant nuclear paranoid news, Putin adores those times, because the whole world was clearly divided between two countries. The USA had its zones of influence, and the Soviet Union had its zones of influence, and one could not imagine the USA trying to influence Hungary in the 1950s, as well as zone could not imagine the Soviet Union trying to become close allies with Italy. 

Putin wants this sort of system again. He wants the whole world and the USA in particularly to acknowledge that Russia has its "zones of influence and interest" (Urkaine, Georgia), where no foreign country should try to bring its policies to. Syria is his message to the world: he views this country as a strategic territory which could potentially (if the opposition wins) serve as a pipeline route that would bring Qatar gas to Europe and, thus, wipe Russia's Gazprom out of the European market. That's why he can't let Assad fall. 

As per his regime in general, I would say that he is clearly nervous about re-elections of 2018, since rumor has it he might hold the elections earlier than expected. Russia's economy has just seen the end of the two-year recession and is now moving into the stagnation stage. It's unclear whether the economic problems are influencing his rating at all, because people blame the government and the prime minister, not Putin, for the economic situation. Also, in 2018 and 2019 people born in 2000 and 2001, the first people to be born under Putin's reign, will go to colleges and we'll see what they think of him. 

P.S. this is not a post with sympathy towards Putin in any way    

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12 hours ago, kyanewest said:

I trust Putin 

Mistake #1

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9 hours ago, bumblebee said:

As someone who gets to live in Russia, I can tell you that putting pressure by NATO is one of the reasons Putin has an 80% approval rating in this country even though he barely scored over 60% when he got re-elected in 2012. 

The inintial plan by NATO of placing the radar stations and the elements of the global missile defense system in Eastern Europe could have worked out well. Had these plans been fully implemented, 60% of Russia's nuclear arsenal would become useless, which would doubtlessly make Putin and his team less "adventurous" and more eager for dialogue. The US would have more influence over Russian foreign policy in such a case. 

Now that Russia is on the verge of mastering the production of the hypersonic missiles that sh*ts all over any defense system in the world, the world is about to enter the stage of its history, where, once again, Russia and the USA will have the most upgraded weapons of mass destruction - the weapons of new generation, so dangerous that there can be no defense system against either hypersonic missile or hypersonic airplane. 

Such a scenario favors Putin and his team more, because Russia re-emerges as a military superpower that it once was. For example, it would make it nearly impossible to continue any negotiations over Syria, because with a couple of hypersonic weapons in his pocket Putin will feel a lot more confident than he feels now, and will push for his position harder than ever. 

Putin wishes to re-establish the Yalta-Potsdam system of world relationship. As horrific as the Cold War was with its constant nuclear paranoid news, Putin adores those times, because the whole world was clearly divided between two countries. The USA had its zones of influence, and the Soviet Union had its zones of influence, and one could not imagine the USA trying to influence Hungary in the 1950s, as well as zone could not imagine the Soviet Union trying to become close allies with Italy. 

Putin wants this sort of system again. He wants the whole world and the USA in particularly to acknowledge that Russia has its "zones of influence and interest" (Urkaine, Georgia), where no foreign country should try to bring its policies to. Syria is his message to the world: he views this country as a strategic territory which could potentially (if the opposition wins) serve as a pipeline route that would bring Qatar gas to Europe and, thus, wipe Russia's Gazprom out of the European market. That's why he can't let Assad fall. 

As per his regime in general, I would say that he is clearly nervous about re-elections of 2018, since rumor has it he might hold the elections earlier than expected. Russia's economy has just seen the end of the two-year recession and is now moving into the stagnation stage. It's unclear whether the economic problems are influencing his rating at all, because people blame the government and the prime minister, not Putin, for the economic situation. Also, in 2018 and 2019 people born in 2000 and 2001, the first people to be born under Putin's reign, will go to colleges and we'll see what they think of him. 

P.S. this is not a post with sympathy towards Putin in any way    

It won't matter what people think of him one way or the other. There aren't all that many people who say that he was re-elected legally and fairly, most believe rightfully (imo), it was a rigged election.

Instead of suping up the military might of the nation, it would be much wiser to invest in technology which can push the economy to a status which rises with longevity instead of playing all his card in another thrust for power which will end either in war, or another break up, either way the economy falls right back where it was.

For that reason alone, this whole situation harkens back to WWII rather than the Cold War, and Putin seems like the stereotypical prideful Russian who refuses to learn from the mistakes of the past. 

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2 hours ago, BlaqJezus said:

It won't matter what people think of him one way or the other. There aren't all that many people who say that he was re-elected legally and fairly, most believe rightfully (imo), it was a rigged election.

Instead of suping up the military might of the nation, it would be much wiser to invest in technology which can push the economy to a status which rises with longevity instead of playing all his card in another thrust for power which will end either in war, or another break up, either way the economy falls right back where it was.

For that reason alone, this whole situation harkens back to WWII rather than the Cold War, and Putin seems like the stereotypical prideful Russian who refuses to learn from the mistakes of the past. 

I'd rather disagree about the WWII parallels. I know somebody might offer me a ladder to help me with this reach, but once he installs the nuclear bombs on the new hypersonic missiles, he will instantly withdraw from Ukraine, from Moldova and from Georgia. He will stop caring about whether those countries join NATO or not, because he will possess the new kind of mass destruction weapons that would easily overcome any defense system in the world. And I suppose he will be happy about withdrawing troops from Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia, for it will save him budget money he is currently spending on those troops. 

His reason for participating in the Syrian conflict is pretty obvious and clear, although far too many people reject it, labeling it as too simplified. Following the new KYOTO protocol signed in Paris last year, most of the countries have to reduce the greenhouse emissions into the air by switching from oil to natural gas and alternative energy sources. The EU is not an exception and, considering the fact that EU has always been the top consumer of Russian natural gas, Putin had all the rights to be happy, previewing the gas export growth. 

However, it seems Putin fears that Qatar, backed by Saudi Arabia, might also try to grab its share of the European gas pipeline market and construct the pipeline from Qatar to Greece. Qatar currently has the largest gas field in the world; to construct the pipeline, Qatar will have to put it either through Iraq (which is not safe), or through Israel (which is politically impossible), or through Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria (then Turkey and then Greece). 

The costs of gas production in Qatar are much lower than in Russia, which means that if the Qatar-Greece pipeline project were finished, Qatar would be able to sell gas to the EU at much lower prices than Russia, thus effectively wiping Russia's Gazprom from the European gas pipeline market.

I don't think Putin is firmly convinced that it's Saudi Arabia and Qatar who are trying to dethrone Assad. But he seems to believe that Saudi Arabia and Qatar would enjoy becoming the gas suppliers of the EU as it would compensate their losses from the low oil prices. 

That's where Putin is very much different from Hitler and proves to be incomparable to him. Hitler created an irrational teaching of race dominance and discovered that war could make the economy work. Putin is a rational (meaning he doesn't have any ideology) politician who wants Russia to remain the major gas supplier of the EU. His and Hitler's motives are very different.