Guest Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 As insane and despicable Trump is, he talks some truth at times Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Luc said: You brought up sanctions over the illegal activities China's pursuing in the South-Chinese Sea. That actually makes it all the messier, as it shows his true hypocrisy: Russia annexes a part of Ukraine and Georgia (illegally) and he wants more cooperation and less sanctions, but when China does the same he wants less cooperation and he wants to install sanctions? What's the difference between these two cases? I wonder what would happen if Germany suddenly annexes Kaliningrad cause it's historical German. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Simon said: I wonder what would happen if Germany suddenly annexes Kaliningrad cause it's historical German. "As we promised, we're not expanding NATO to any new country eastwards." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Luc said: "As we promised, we're not expanding NATO to any new country eastwards." Nato: *invites Ukraine* *invites Georgia* *probably next Moldova, cause why not a new conflict* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioIsOurs 13,876 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 42 minutes ago, manicholic said: You guys are out of your minds. Unless you have a valid argument you are just simply butthurt about the fact that Trump hates the gays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Simon said: Nato: *invites Ukraine* *invites Georgia* *probably next Moldova, cause why not a new conflict* Russia's so hypocritical on this anyways. Ukraine gave their 5000 nuclear warheads to Russia if they promised they would respect Ukraine's borders. It's a mess and imo Ukraine should be given the promise of entering the EU (just like they did with Turkey) so they can have the best of both worlds: keep Ukraine orientated on the EU while not actually having them in the EU as it would only actually create trouble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqJezus 1,027 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The way around all of this, is to be as friendly as possible with China, which Donald Trump is not. And if you think his remarks aren't being heard by the people of China, you need to research a little. China is the neighbor to Russia, friendly ties and relationships with them, will put pressure on Putin to keep to his own lands and stop trying to create the USSR again. I don't think China will stand for it considering how Putin is viewed in most of the world. Clinton is the same old sort of politician we've always had, no more or less corrupt than any who came before her, but when you put someone as backwards as Trump at the helm, you begin to have something like Putin, where the entire nation reverts back to a state in turmoil socially, which causes the world view to totally shift. Clinton has successfully negotiated foreign policy for quite some time, and has experience with it which is made abundantly clear when she decides to keep her mouth shut on many things instead of just outrightly telling the world what she thinks about them privately. I'm not sure where this gun-happy, waiting to push the button, Warhawk title comes from, as the majority of her foreign policy work has beneficial to peace. That's not including the media hyped things, that have consequences on both sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prada 1,200 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 There are lots of issues in America. why jump to another continent and bring democracy to Syria either way even if Trump wins,US will keep bombing Syria cos President has no saying over these things.We all know there is bigger power behind the chairs that keeps US in the middle east for a very very long time. and Trump should know that,he will have to agree (or will be dictated) to do those bigger powers say.He will be just a face representing America. and I think Trump already knows this.He's just talking wisely right know for election.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Luc said: Russia's so hypocritical on this anyways. Ukraine gave their 5000 nuclear warheads to Russia if they promised they would respect Ukraine's borders. It's a mess and imo Ukraine should be given the promise of entering the EU (just like they did with Turkey) so they can have the best of both worlds: keep Ukraine orientated on the EU while not actually having them in the EU as it would only actually create trouble I agree. Russia is loosing ground imo, that's why they act like this. They only show off. I mean NATO has a population of around 1 billion (including Non-Nato EU states) And I'm sure Latin America will be also on Nato side. Russia has roughly 120 million inhabitants. Even if a war breaks out, Russia will be hit hard. I also doubt that China would join such war considering China has a lot market going on in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just now, Simon said: I agree. Russia is loosing ground imo, that's why they act like this. They only show off. I mean NATO has a population of around 1 billion (including Non-Nato EU states) And I'm sure Latin America will be also on Nato side. Russia has roughly 120 million inhabitants. Even if a war breaks out, Russia will be hit hard. I also doubt that China would join such war considering China has a lot market going on in Europe. Exactly. China isn't at all interested in actually showing off their power, they just want to secure their interests in China. They just want what's important (money, stability and, in case of an emergency, enough ways to protect themselves). Russia, on the other hand, wants to 'break apart the European Union' and to 'lead a Eurasian coalition ranging from Lissabon to Singapore to act as a mediator and stabilisator in the world' . They actually want to become the second mayor player in geopolitics next to the US. They have yet to realize that their economy is smaller than Australia's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just now, Luc said: Exactly. China isn't at all interested in actually showing off their power, they just want to secure their interests in China. They just want what's important (money, stability and, in case of an emergency, enough ways to protect themselves). Russia, on the other hand, wants to 'break apart the European Union' and to 'lead a Eurasian coalition ranging from Lissabon to Singapore to act as a mediator and stabilisator in the world' . They actually want to become the second mayor player in geopolitics next to the US. They have yet to realize that their economy is smaller than Australia's Russias attitude towards Europe is actually increasing european integration. I mean leaders call for one EU Army, not yet for one united parliament, but I'm sure that will happen, too Russia dreams big, but lets be honest. The best chances to become a mayor player will be China or an united Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, Simon said: Russias attitude towards Europe is actually increasing european integration. I mean leaders call for one EU Army, not yet for one united parliament, but I'm sure that will happen, too Russia dreams big, but lets be honest. The best chances to become a mayor player will be China or an united Europe Indeed my proposal: 100% tax on all imported oil and gas. All money goes to EU army benefits: 1. fights climate change 2. one gas/oil tax makes sure people don't go to another country to get cheaper gas/oil like Belgians who go to Luxembourg 3. the more the Russian economy grows (more export), the bigger the EU army 4. a powerful EU army Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, Luc said: Indeed my proposal: 100% tax on all imported oil and gas. All money goes to EU army benefits: 1. fights climate change 2. one gas/oil tax makes sure people don't go to another country to get cheaper gas/oil like Belgians who go to Luxembourg 3. the more the Russian economy grows (more export), the bigger the EU army 4. a powerful EU army Yas I really want that to happy, let's hope our politicians get their **** together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Justan 80 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, manicholic said: You guys are out of your minds. No, they're not. Clinton has already said her first order of business will be taking out Assad (leader of Syria), knowing full well that Russia is protecting Syrians right now, and warned us not to interfere with a no-fly zone. Clinton is provoking Russia and red-baiting Americans with cold-war era fear. This is very dangerous. I can be anything. I'll be your everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just now, Just Justan said: full well that Russia is protecting Syrians right now, Ummm NO FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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