Gaga and Beyoncé now album artists?

[KingRedd 3,139]

PLease don't ever bring up Beyoncé here again. Monsters are forever pressed at how successful she is. Beyoncé is an album artist since "Beyoncé." She performs medleys of the album, has a video for every song on the album and creates buzz off the album as a whole. People weren't saying "omg I love hold up" or "she did good with sorry" they were saying "omg I love lemonade." And why is it ok for Gaga to sing about life and relationships and rape and pain but when Beyoncé sings about cheating it's a "rumor" or "pathetic." Im so over y'all downplaying her and shitting on lemonade when it was both visually and musically great. You guys are pop fans so why criticize an R&B album? GGD I can't. Lol

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40 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

PLease don't ever bring up Beyoncé here again. Monsters are forever pressed at how successful she is. Beyoncé is an album artist since "Beyoncé." She performs medleys of the album, has a video for every song on the album and creates buzz off the album as a whole. People weren't saying "omg I love hold up" or "she did good with sorry" they were saying "omg I love lemonade." And why is it ok for Gaga to sing about life and relationships and rape and pain but when Beyoncé sings about cheating it's a "rumor" or "pathetic." Im so over y'all downplaying her and shitting on lemonade when it was both visually and musically great. You guys are pop fans so why criticize an R&B album? GGD I can't. Lol

You'll get dragged for this 

No one is pressed at Beyonce's success. I for one have her newest albums and still listen to them, and I thought the Lemonade film was great. What Beyonce is however is overrated. The reason a lot of Gaga fans don't really care for her or might shade her on this forum is because Beyonce has an entire team of people that comes up with almost everything she puts out. She is successful, yes, but comes across as robotic.

Gaga on the other hand is the complete opposite. She is hands-on with all her projects and pours her heart into them. If people here shade her it's because Beyonce gets praised to the high heavens for putting out a half-assed album with a million writers and producers + a good film, while Gaga gets ripped apart by critics or dismissed when putting out a solid album. Congrats to Beyonce for 'working hard' and being on top I guess, but for me her hype precedes her.

[KingRedd 3,139]

20 minutes ago, Fanta said:

You'll get dragged for this 

No one is pressed at Beyonce's success. I for one have her newest albums and still listen to them, and I thought the Lemonade film was great. What Beyonce is however is overrated. The reason a lot of Gaga fans don't really care for her or might shade her on this forum is because Beyonce has an entire team of people that comes up with almost everything she puts out. She is successful, yes, but comes across as robotic.

Gaga on the other hand is the complete opposite. She is hands-on with all her projects and pours her heart into them. If people here shade her it's because Beyonce gets praised to the high heavens for putting out a half-assed album with a million writers and producers + a good film, while Gaga gets ripped apart by critics or dismissed when putting out a solid album. Congrats to Beyonce for 'working hard' and being on top I guess, but for me her hype precedes her.

Child... I don't care if people 'attempt' to drag me on this site lmao. The pressed will be pressed 

 

1. Monsters are pressed because they feel as though Gaga and Beyoncé should be on the same level to the GP and the GP adore yonce a lot more.

2. Monsters on here beg and plead for Gaga to get a team to help her promotion and appearance schedule. Beyoncé doesn't even promote besides performances and when she does, it's always on point and a medley. 

3. Gaga just released a video of all the people helping with one song. Don't act as if she does EVERYTHING on her own. 

4. Beyoncé is not overrated when she proves time and time again that she works hard and puts on the best performances of her generation. 

I love Gaga but y'all act like she is the only artist to have creativity and be involved in their work. 

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Beyonce just became an album artist since Lemonade but Gaga has always been imo!

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1 minute ago, KingRedd said:

Child... I don't care if people 'attempt' to drag me on this site lmao. The pressed will be pressed 

 

1. Monsters are pressed because they feel as though Gaga and Beyoncé should be on the same level to the GP and the GP adore yonce a lot more.

2. Monsters on here beg and plead for Gaga to get a team to help her promotion and appearance schedule. Beyoncé doesn't even promote besides performances and when she does, it's always on point and a medley. 

3. Gaga just released a video of all the people helping with one song. Don't act as if she does EVERYTHING on her own. 

4. Beyoncé is not overrated when she proves time and time again that she works hard and puts on the best performances of her generation. 

I love Gaga but y'all act like she is the only artist to have creativity and be involved in their work. 

I said it once and I'll say it again, Beyonce's hype precedes her.

It's interesting you mention the A-Yo making of video as evidence against Gaga, because we all know she actually writes the majority of her songs and plays instruments and produces. She doesn't tweak for credits. And I'll bet you one thing, Gaga might not do everything on her own but what Beyonce does is a puddle compared to Gaga's ocean.

Many artists put out creative work, but hardly any spend time building it from scratch like Gaga. Beyonce is just an example.

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

1 hour ago, mikedu24 said:

Huge Beyoncé fan here. But for the love of God how many times is she going to play the Jay Z cheating narrative before a concert or album release.                Btw Lemonade is actually a 50/100 album for me. Don't get all the hype.  

Ps: I'm black

PS: I am not judging Lemonade with this post.

Media somehow made Beyoncé seem like an immaculate goddess in a way no other singer was probably perceived before.
Even Madonna and Michael Jackson were always subject to criticism but not even one single critic talked about Beyoncé's occasional lip-syncs. 

My point is that Beyoncé would get 80+ Metacritic, and lots of hype even if she recorded her fart over a beat. 

[KingRedd 3,139]

1 minute ago, Fanta said:

I said it once and I'll say it again, Beyonce's hype precedes her.

It's interesting you mention the A-Yo making of video as evidence against Gaga, because we all know she actually writes the majority of her songs and plays instruments and produces. She doesn't tweak for credits. And I'll bet you one thing, Gaga might not do everything on her own but what Beyonce does is a puddle compared to Gaga's ocean.

Many artists put out creative work, but hardly any spend time building it from scratch like Gaga. Beyonce is just an example.

You're making it seem like a negative when I said she released the video of people helping. What is wrong with help? I love Gaga and don't turn this into a Gaga vs B thing lmao I'm honestly not even mad I'm just bored and hungry and waiting on the CK lol. Im just tired of people downplaying B to lift Gaga. 

[AlphaMonster 1,806]

13 minutes ago, KingRedd said:

Child... I don't care if people 'attempt' to drag me on this site lmao. The pressed will be pressed 

 

1. Monsters are pressed because they feel as though Gaga and Beyoncé should be on the same level to the GP and the GP adore yonce a lot more.

2. Monsters on here beg and plead for Gaga to get a team to help her promotion and appearance schedule. Beyoncé doesn't even promote besides performances and when she does, it's always on point and a medley. 

3. Gaga just released a video of all the people helping with one song. Don't act as if she does EVERYTHING on her own. 

4. Beyoncé is not overrated when she proves time and time again that she works hard and puts on the best performances of her generation. 

I love Gaga but y'all act like she is the only artist to have creativity and be involved in their work. 

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2- Because context is different. Beyoncé's career came back to life with SuperBowl, and the best music marketing decision of last 20 years: Releasing a surprise visual album ! Promo is just another marketing decision, just a more mundane one. Obviously people will speculate what promo Gaga can do, you can't expect them to come up with something more creative than regular promo; if they were able to come up with such thing, they would not be sharing those ideas for free on GagaDaily. 

3- Nobody claims that Gaga does everything on her own. She is more involved relative to Beyoncé. 

4- I agree that Beyoncé puts the best performances of her generation. But it does not mean that she cannot be overrated. For example: GP praises Beyoncé's live vocals even though she dances, little they know that Beyoncé often uses pre-recorded vocals. 

[GagaTheExplorer 3,053]

1. We don't know how many sales with have Joanne, it may sell 5k next week

2. Beyoncé is overrated (but if you say something negative against (even when it's a fact) her you will have all the media, critics and her hardcore fans looking for you to kill you) but well good for her, she is married with the right man to do the job

[KingRedd 3,139]

18 minutes ago, AlphaMonster said:

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2- Because context is different. Beyoncé's career came back to life with SuperBowl, and the best music marketing decision of last 20 years: Releasing a surprise visual album ! Promo is just another marketing decision, just a more mundane one. Obviously people will speculate what promo Gaga can do, you can't expect them to come up with something more creative than regular promo; if they were able to come up with such thing, they would not be sharing those ideas for free on GagaDaily. 

3- Nobody claims that Gaga does everything on her own. She is more involved relative to Beyoncé. 

4- I agree that Beyoncé puts the best performances of her generation. But it does not mean that she cannot be overrated. For example: GP praises Beyoncé's live vocals even though she dances, little they know that Beyoncé often uses pre-recorded vocals. 

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2- When i said performances I mean it's her main promo. The difference is when Gaga performs it's toned down (for some odd reason). When Beyoncé does it's technically hard to imitate. She does a lot on stage and her presence is unmatched. Gaga could get the same boost after her SB show.  I just want her to step up in the performance arena. It's weird that her best was around her debut. With Beyoncé it's the other way around. She was meh back then and amazing now. Hell yeah she uses pre recorded vocals the bitch ain't slick lmao but if you were to walk up to her and say hey sing this verse, it would be flawless. Just like gags.

3- I guess this is true. I just don't like when people say B does nothing to contribute as if she just sits in the corner and sleeps. 

4- True

 

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2 hours ago, littlepotter said:

That's just crazy to say. Gaga promoted her singles to death. OP doesnt mean she didn't use to sell albums, he means she no longer focuses on selling singles thats all. And I agree.

Just because Gaga promoted singles means she can't be an album artist? Her albums have always sold better than her singles. Her albums have always had cohesive concepts. She's always written every song, i.e no filler (even if some songs weren't good). Gaga has always written and released albums first and foremost, rather than singles. Just because she's had successful singles does not take away that they belong to cohesive conceptual albums. 

The thought that promoting singles means you can't be an album artist is a joke. So she can't be one now right? I mean she's promoting AYO quite a bit...

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2 hours ago, FameMonzter said:

Neither Bey or Gaga have been album artists, wtf.

Beyoncé has been putting out singles like Sorry & Hold Up and sent them to the radio. The reason of its flopping is the fault of her and her team not putting it up for stream besides Tidal.

Gaga has also putting out singles, if they flop - it doesn't mean that she is an album artist.

Artists like Taylor Swift and who earn millions of dollars with their album are considered an album artist. 

Bey has yet to reach the same with her self-titled and LEMONADE, and so does Gaga.

Y'all are reaching.

You totally just made up your own version of what you think an albums artist is vs. what a singles artist is. Let me clear it up for you:

- Singles Artist -- someone whose singles do disproportionately better than their albums, i.e. they have a bunch of #1 hits, but no one ends up buying their albums. Current example of that is Chainsmokers, because they don't even have an album. Another example is Rihanna. Up until Anti, she was putting out shitty album after shitty album, but they each had a super successful one or two singles.

- Albums Artist -- the exact opposite of the above. Their songs/singles don't chart well and don't become massive hits, but people love to buy their entire albums. Beyonce is a PERFECT example of this. She hasn't had a single hit song since Single Ladies. And FUN FACT: the last song featuring Beyonce to hit #1 on Billboard was TELEPHONE.

[StrawberryBlond 14,881]

I agree, I think this is totally what Gaga is going for. I don't know if she'll ever pull a full-on Beyonce and just outright release an album with no singles preceding it, but this is clearly the model she prefers. Maybe Beyonce did inspire her to take the plunge to go more in this direction with Joanne (love her or hate her, I can't deny that Beyonce's recent moves have inspired more than a few artists) but she was focusing on the album as a whole long before Beyonce did it. I remember back when she performed Brown Eyes on Jonathan Ross in March 2010, when promo from TF was long done and TFM had been out for 4 months. I can't quite find when she said it but she said in the interview afterwards that the song wasn't actually a single but she wanted to sing it anyway because she believes that there's more to an album than just the singles and thought the public should hear more of the album as a whole. So, yeah, I don't think it was just Beyonce that inspired her. This urge to serve up all the music to the public was on her mind from day one.

2 hours ago, KingRedd said:

PLease don't ever bring up Beyoncé here again. Monsters are forever pressed at how successful she is. Beyoncé is an album artist since "Beyoncé." She performs medleys of the album, has a video for every song on the album and creates buzz off the album as a whole. People weren't saying "omg I love hold up" or "she did good with sorry" they were saying "omg I love lemonade." And why is it ok for Gaga to sing about life and relationships and rape and pain but when Beyoncé sings about cheating it's a "rumor" or "pathetic." Im so over y'all downplaying her and shitting on lemonade when it was both visually and musically great. You guys are pop fans so why criticize an R&B album? GGD I can't. Lol

While, yes, her success does annoy a lot of us, especially me, it's because we just don't think her music is worthy of the praise it gets, it's not just because she's in direct competition with Gaga. It's not unusual for people to base their views of an artist on their actual music, you know. I find it a big insult to our intelligence for her fans to keep on attaching these petty theories to us (that conveniently dodge the issue of the actual music). We just don't think her music is all that and that other artists are more deserving. And actually, there are people who are just commenting on her individual songs. Only certain ones have been played in public or become "singles," after all. If you didn't listen to the album but use YouTube, you'll have seen her Sorry and Hold Up videos, for example, but not heard the rest. And I never said it was ok for Gaga to sing about personal issues but not Beyonce. I do think Lemonade does come across very authentic...but at the same time, I'm totally understanding of theories that it's all a ploy to sell an album. I mean, why would Jay allow her to make an album putting him in a bad light? Isn't he worried about his image and future sales of his own music if people hate him for it? Surely Beyonce ran all this past him? As her manager, he must have been in the room when she made this stuff. So, it's totally reasonable that they came up with an album that exaggerated their relationship problems with lots of little easter egg hunts of revealing lyrics to keep the public interested. Basically, it's a break up album without the break up. It's hard for such an album to ring true when you're still with the guy who did this to you. He can't be as bad as you stated in your music, or you wouldn't still be with him. That's why I'm a bit confused as to why critics called her music so authentic...but didn't think the same of Gaga, despite Gaga actually having broken up with the guy she's singing about on a few songs. And by the way, people can like multiple genres. I listen to all genres. Pop fans are not so dumb that they don't have the mental capacity to understand an RnB album.

But I must add that Beyonce can only make the music that you consider to be so great because of the amazing opportunities, privilege and luck she has had in this business. Her husband owns the record label she's signed to and is her manager. Which means that she gets access to all the best writers and producers, she gets full freedom to make the kind of music that she wants and she isn't getting disrespected by anyone. Unfortunately, most artists do not have those luxuries. They only get in touch with the writers and producers vetted by their label, they get forced by their label to make the kind of music they are told to make (some even get sent back to make a new album after their original conception got rejected) and as seen with the likes of Kesha, they sometimes have to deal with predators who try to take advantage of them. That's the reality for most artists. There are so many amazing artists out there who have so much to give but their talent is being squandered and suffocated by their label and it's not just mainstream labels who are nasty either. So, there are so many artists who could make music of Lemonade's level and better but they're not being allowed to. So, think about that before you say that we're just pressed at Beyonce's success and critical acclaim. There's a serious reason behind why we feel that way.

[KingRedd 3,139]

22 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I agree, I think this is totally what Gaga is going for. I don't know if she'll ever pull a full-on Beyonce and just outright release an album with no singles preceding it, but this is clearly the model she prefers. Maybe Beyonce did inspire her to take the plunge to go more in this direction with Joanne (love her or hate her, I can't deny that Beyonce's recent moves have inspired more than a few artists) but she was focusing on the album as a whole long before Beyonce did it. I remember back when she performed Brown Eyes on Jonathan Ross in March 2010, when promo from TF was long done and TFM had been out for 4 months. I can't quite find when she said it but she said in the interview afterwards that the song wasn't actually a single but she wanted to sing it anyway because she believes that there's more to an album than just the singles and thought the public should hear more of the album as a whole. So, yeah, I don't think it was just Beyonce that inspired her. This urge to serve up all the music to the public was on her mind from day one.

While, yes, her success does annoy a lot of us, especially me, it's because we just don't think her music is worthy of the praise it gets, it's not just because she's in direct competition with Gaga. It's not unusual for people to base their views of an artist on their actual music, you know. I find it a big insult to our intelligence for her fans to keep on attaching these petty theories to us (that conveniently dodge the issue of the actual music). We just don't think her music is all that and that other artists are more deserving. And actually, there are people who are just commenting on her individual songs. Only certain ones have been played in public or become "singles," after all. If you didn't listen to the album but use YouTube, you'll have seen her Sorry and Hold Up videos, for example, but not heard the rest. And I never said it was ok for Gaga to sing about personal issues but not Beyonce. I do think Lemonade does come across very authentic...but at the same time, I'm totally understanding of theories that it's all a ploy to sell an album. I mean, why would Jay allow her to make an album putting him in a bad light? Isn't he worried about his image and future sales of his own music if people hate him for it? Surely Beyonce ran all this past him? As her manager, he must have been in the room when she made this stuff. So, it's totally reasonable that they came up with an album that exaggerated their relationship problems with lots of little easter egg hunts of revealing lyrics to keep the public interested. Basically, it's a break up album without the break up. It's hard for such an album to ring true when you're still with the guy who did this to you. He can't be as bad as you stated in your music, or you wouldn't still be with him. That's why I'm a bit confused as to why critics called her music so authentic...but didn't think the same of Gaga, despite Gaga actually having broken up with the guy she's singing about on a few songs. And by the way, people can like multiple genres. I listen to all genres. Pop fans are not so dumb that they don't have the mental capacity to understand an RnB album.

But I must add that Beyonce can only make the music that you consider to be so great because of the amazing opportunities, privilege and luck she has had in this business. Her husband owns the record label she's signed to and is her manager. Which means that she gets access to all the best writers and producers, she gets full freedom to make the kind of music that she wants and she isn't getting disrespected by anyone. Unfortunately, most artists do not have those luxuries. They only get in touch with the writers and producers vetted by their label, they get forced by their label to make the kind of music they are told to make (some even get sent back to make a new album after their original conception got rejected) and as seen with the likes of Kesha, they sometimes have to deal with predators who try to take advantage of them. That's the reality for most artists. There are so many amazing artists out there who have so much to give but their talent is being squandered and suffocated by their label and it's not just mainstream labels who are nasty either. So, there are so many artists who could make music of Lemonade's level and better but they're not being allowed to. So, think about that before you say that we're just pressed at Beyonce's success and critical acclaim. There's a serious reason behind why we feel that way.

Isn't she signed to Sony? I honestly didn't know jay owned sony. It's ok to dislike her by all means. It's just pathetic to downplay her EVERYTIME she's mentioned. I don't expect pop fans to enjoy Beyoncé as much as Britney or Katy or Gaga. I just don't like the notion that Beyoncé is overrated because of her husband, she's not creative, she's a robot, etc. 

 

There is not a serious reason behind why monsters feel that way. Maybe your reasoning is valid but majority on here will trash her no matter what she does. It's not her fault she has freedom she has been controlled all of her career and now that she can make songs and perform how she wants after 10 years of being in the industry she is bad? That's how the industry works. They controll you in the beginning and your style. After you're established, you get more freedom. Gaga herself has spoken about this so many times. Finally having freedom to make what she wants and not the labels request. 

[Brian Ryan 1,468]

No Beyoncé gets played on R&B/Urban stations... plus her albums get better reviews and she's still able to make all her albums go platinum. No flac to Gaga though. You guys need to step out of pop world.