Rolodex of Hate 1,761 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, calmar said: The melody is (assuming a key of Gb major/Ebm): Cb Cb Bb Ab Gb Eb Gb F Db Bb Ab Ab Ab Gb Db Bb Gbyoung wild a- me - ri-can come on ba-by do you have a girl frie-nd The note seems correct to me. I know that's the correct melody (I played it on my piano), but the note she sings is off We have no legal choice but to stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic 11,922 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Can you not point out these specifics. PI is already ruined because I read about the infamous queef. The hardest thing in this world is to live in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Dey 1,847 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 what I don't hear it she's completely on key Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam 1,695 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Because you would rather have an autotuned track. It's raw. It conveys emotion. I studied music and from that note, it is called an appoggiatura. Look it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolodex of Hate 1,761 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Archangel said: Because you would rather have an autotuned track. It's raw. It conveys emotion. I studied music and from that note, it is called an appoggiatura. Look it up. Yes I know what an appoggiatura is thanks, and it's definitely not that - she's aiming for the right note and not hitting it We have no legal choice but to stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphroditeLaydee 1,230 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 11 hours ago, Dominic Marc said: Can you not point out these specifics. PI is already ruined because I read about the infamous queef. I actually like the queef and eagerly wait for it every time I listen to PI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,933 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Who cares. Nina Simone doesn't sound perfect all the time either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Miller 206 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 So...if I read this correctly...you can no longer stand Diamond Heart because of how one annunciation of the "i" in "American" is sung flat...mmmm okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabi 685 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 listen to the live performance, that was flat. the track sounds perfect for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadrian 604 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 15 hours ago, 15jocart said: That's not how melodic structure works hun lol I don't know if you're trying to be condescending here, but a spectrogram doesn't take musical structure or anything like that into account, it precisely shows the audio frequencies that are being put out and she's definitely singing an F# in a part of the song where the instrumental is playing C, C#, D#, F, G, G#, and A#. I can see what the notes are by putting my cursor over the graph. Technically, the B5 she's singing is off-key too. I mean, you're right and I know it's not how musical chord structures work because I've thrown some flats into some of my own songs because they sound interesting, but the fact remains that she's singing outside of the instrumental's scale. I don't think she's even singing in the same key as the music now that I really look at it... 15 hours ago, calmar said: The melody is (assuming a key of Gb major/Ebm): Cb Cb Bb Ab Gb Eb Gb F Db Bb Ab Ab Ab Gb Db Bb Gbyoung wild a- me - ri-can come on ba-by do you have a girl frie-nd The note seems correct to me. Well I don't know about any of that LOL, isn't Gb another name for F#? Spectrograms just give you a really cut-and-dry visual representation of audio frequencies, but my spectrogram thingy shows it's (youuung wild starting at G#5 and sliding up to B5 - A at A#5 - mer at G#5 - ric at F#5 - can at D#5). You can play them on a piano and hear the notes as Gaga is singing them, spectrograms don't really take "key" and things like that into account. Like, I know some notes have different names when they're in different keys, but the spectrogram won't show something like Gb, it just shows F#. ----- I think Gaga might even be singing a different key which is correct by itself, but to fit in the key of the actual background music, there's really no other way to sing that particular riff (especially after seeing a B and a F# which aren't part of the background music). I actually just changed the melody to "fix" the F#, and all the other notes in between the (mer at G#5) and the (can at D#5) sound even worse. E, F, and G make it sound spooky/creepy, and I'm sure that's not the direction Gaga wanted this song to go. Spoiler Too much technical talk, ack. could we meet sometime this summer // shine on me your crimson colors // james lover lover lover lover lover lover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 She's on key to me in her isolated melody. She is however singing over a phasing synth patch doing a harmonic shift behind her which might be giving you a momentary sense of dissonance that would be completely expected. If that spectral analysis is correct it's clearly in a dissonant harmonic transition because nobody does chords with that many minor second intervals except some jazzers trying to be cute. I get a nice feeling of tension in that little run that if anything makes it more interesting to me. And to the previous post... ( on mobile not quoting) The musical structure being referred to is harmony vs melody and key. It's not necessary or desirable to only sing chord notes against a chord. Chords imply a group of scales that can be sung against them for different effect and artistic choice can always be made to go against the "rules". Especially for a quick passing tone. Mark is meticulous. If they didn't "Fix" it, it's because they liked it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Soares 121 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Its not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Not a flat note babe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 This thread is exactly why I quit my music degree. People getting so nit picky about a note that they forget about the actual enjoyment of the song. I love music and learning about it but not when 50 people are arguing about a goddam note Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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