mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 7 hours ago, Luc said: @faysalaaa1 Please just list why you think a fetus is alive. No youtube videos, no 'SCIENCE!!11' - I want to hear what you have to say on this yourself. Why should we consider a fetus to be alive? Because science tells me so.. do I understand global warming? no but I base my belief on what science says. Science could be wrong but going against science and making decisions based on subjective beliefs is not a good idea. Now if you want my invalid none scientific opinion, to me if its a potential life with a soul and it is not our place to kill a soul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 3 hours ago, SlayedForTheGod said: literally wtf does that matter. a flower is alive. grass is alive. should mowing our lawns be illegal? just being alive doesnt make someone a human. Humans and animals are too different things.. does killing a animal to eat mean I can kill a human to eat? no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said: Because science tells me so.. do I understand global warming? no but I base my belief on what science says. Science could be wrong but going against science and making decisions based on subjective beliefs is not a good idea. Now if you want my invalid none scientific opinion, to me if its a potential life with a soul and it is not our place to kill a soul. Please - the science 'argument' has already been disproven by another member. I suspect that it's more about you justifying your own beliefs by saying science agrees, while actually having no evidence of scientific research actually saying so (youtube videos =/= scientific research, sis). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 11 hours ago, Simon said: Do you think mastrubation should be illegal? Masturbation is not a potential life as live begins in conception 5 hours ago, MonsterPaws said: So you're saying children should be allowed to make their own decisions from the day they are born? No but they have the right to live.. I dont know what you are trying to say.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said: Masturbation is not a potential life as live begins in conception No but they have the right to live.. I dont know what you are trying to say.. Love how you're totally ignoring the utter scalping @Kayla has given you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, Seeka said: Love how you're totally ignoring the utter scalping @Kayla has given you. I am writing a reply to her, it takes time to reply to all these people so calm down.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 8 hours ago, Kayla said: "his mothers poor choices" Oh, look. A man blaming an unwanted pregnancy entirely on the woman. #WhyAmINotSurprised Reading your posts it's almost like you believe a woman who gets pregnant should have to keep the baby out of punishment for premarital sex. You clearly have a negative view about people with different sexual lives than you do. In the US when abortions were illegal many women suffered through pregnancy and unwanted children because their husbands REFUSED to wear condoms. So much for your "don't have unprotected sex!" and "only have sex with someone you love!" argument there, huh? We live in a world where we don't educate people on how to keep themselves protected then force them to become a parent when things go wrong. And who bears the most suffering- physically, mentally, and emotionally? The woman. Who gets all the blame? The woman. Who gets told she can't make a decision regarding something that is effecting her entire body and life? The woman. I'm proud we have so many people here who believe in women's rights and actually believe in protecting "Life"- not just fetuses. It's nice to see a majority of this community recognizes real science and human rights. Abortion is not pretty- it's sad and an unfortunate situation. But in the grand scheme of things it's more reasonable and helpful than degrading women and bringing more unwanted children into this world. My gender shouldnt be an issue or else you should only allow women to talk about this subject.. morality is a objective opinion so everyone should have a say in it. Also, I did not blame the woman only, if you read my comment I also said that its how I personally live my life as I dont have sex with someone im not in love with and have a huge potential to be my wife and the mother of my child. Men and Women are responsible but at the end of the day, women are the one who will make the choice while men will disappear. I do not have a negative view on people who have different sexual lives but I have a negative view on people who live that life yet dont want to suffer its consequences! sex will get you pregnant and give you diseases so thats why this free sex with no consequences has always been a bad idea until government started funding these people telling them you can do whatever you want and you wont suffer any consequences. I dont know why you would accuse me of being against womens rights and that I dont care about human beings, only fetuses! we have different definitions of what a fetus is so im coming from the point of view of protecting a living child while you come from the point of view that there is no living child so we should protect that woman which makes sense if I had the same definition of a fetus as you. Just because you are on the opposing side, I did not call you a child murderer or accused of you of horrible things as I get where you and everyone is coming from specially when science is not yet clear on this issue. So please dont take this subject personally trying to insult me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayedForTheGod 665 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 5 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said: Humans and animals are too different things.. does killing a animal to eat mean I can kill a human to eat? no first of all i said flower and grass......not animals. secondly plenty users have already provided you with links and facts on when an embryo develops consciousness. so your argument is honestly just fueled by opinion at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, SlayedForTheGod said: first of all i said flower and grass......not animals. secondly plenty users have already provided you with links and facts on when an embryo develops consciousness. so your argument is honestly just fueled by opinion at this point. Read what Kayla said, she admits its alive.. people disagreement is weather something that is alive but still not fully a human should have right or not. And I reply to that argument by saying is a baby thats 1 year old less of a human than an adult because he is not fully developed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayedForTheGod 665 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Just now, faysalaaa1 said: Read what Kayla said, she admits its alive.. people disagreement is weather something that is alive but still not fully a human should have right or not. And I reply to that argument by saying is a baby thats 1 year old less of a human than an adult because he is not fully developed? the argument is not whether its alive. like i said, a blade of grass is alive. a flower is alive. the differentiation between those, an embryo and an actual human being is consciousness. a baby of one year has consciousness and can feel pain. it is scientifically proven that an embryo in early abortion stages (the majority of abortions happen in this time) have not developed a conscious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 1 minute ago, SlayedForTheGod said: the argument is not whether its alive. like i said, a blade of grass is alive. a flower is alive. the differentiation between those, an embryo and an actual human being is consciousness. a baby of one year has consciousness and can feel pain. it is scientifically proven that an embryo in early abortion stages (the majority of abortions happen in this time) have not developed a conscious. So does a unconscious person have no rights and we can kill them? science is behind of when a baby has conscious, some say conscious begins as early as 24 weeks but doesnt actualize until months after the baby is born.. so does this mean we can kill the baby when its first born before his conscious actualizes? A blade of grass is not a human being and anything other than human being dont have same rights as humans so dont compare humans and none human beings specially when it comes to rights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayedForTheGod 665 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: So does a unconscious person have no rights and we can kill them? science is behind of when a baby has conscious, some say conscious begins as early as 24 weeks but doesnt actualize until months after the baby is born.. so does this mean we can kill the baby when its first born before his conscious actualizes? A blade of grass is not a human being and anything other than human being dont have same rights as humans so dont compare humans and none human beings specially when it comes to rights. you have provided no actual proof to your statements. just links to youtube videos. and i mentioned the grass cause you keep saying the word "alive" as if that is relevant. and being unconscious and not having a conscious are not the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, SlayedForTheGod said: you have provided no actual proof to your statements. just links to youtube videos. and i mentioned the grass cause you keep saying the word "alive" as if that is relevant. and being unconscious and not having a conscious are not the same thing. Im not gonna provide evidence for obvious things you can easily find, I rather discuss this with someone who already knows the facts so ill wait for Kayla to reply even though she completely disagree with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
666 others 1,856 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 It is sad and dangerous when someone starts believing in science instead of understanding. Science is not faith, it is fact. One does not "believe" in science, one studies, questions and understands. One does not " believe" in gravity. One does not "believe" in global warming. If one starts "believing" in science, then science becomes same as superstition for that person. :holyshit: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingMore 1,701 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 On 10/3/2016 at 0:34 PM, KURUSHITOVSKA said: Murder? Innocent children? Are you ****ing kidding me? Those are not children, they are CELLS. They don't even have a brain or a heart, wtf!!!!!! This is SUPER retrograde. Let me just put you all with those thoughts in my ignore list, I can't cope with these. Yes. Innocent children! My sister just gave birth after trying to get pregnant for 5 years, so I'm extremely sensitive to these kind of discussions. If a woman gets raped or her life depends on it, sure, abortus is okay in that situation but if she has unprotected sex ends up pregnant and goes "**** ain't nobody got time for that" and does abortus while she is perfectly capable to take care of that child is simply horrible. The month of the pregnancy doesn't matter at all ! You can clearly see all the human features: it's only 10 weeks old and that's when the majority of the abortions are done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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