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4 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

women who get rape would kill that chance of getting pregnant before it happens though.

HOW? 

[Bebe 17,289]

1 hour ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Science does show that at conception the person is alive. Whether merely being alive is enough to confer rights depends on your morality. Also, if you support a woman's right to own her body, you should also support all kind of drugs even the most dangerous and support prostitution. 

"Science does show that at conception the person is alive"

Well that's highly misleading. Science shows us the skin cells on our arm are alive, I just took a hot shower and dried myself off with a towel killing millions of lives (skin cells) in the process. The skin cells on my arm also had the same potential for life, under the right conditions the skin cell can be converted into an embryo.

The potential for 'consciousness' starts around the 30 week mark. Studies using electroencephalography have found that functional pain does not exist before 29-30 weeks. How can something have rights if it is unconscious and can't feel pain? How can such a thing be a moral subject?
 

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5 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

This guy supports abortion yet still admits a fetus is a alive person.. he talks about it from a scientific perception and almost all scientists agree with that, its just weather you should abort the alive fetus or not is where they disagree. Here is the video:
 

 

Well there's the factor that's unaligned. Your definition of a human is different than my use. Obviously a zygote or any living cell is alive, but that doesn't give them human rights. Besides, his analogy doesn't align with the realities of conception and birth. A dialysis machine doesn't have rights.

[KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451]

Guys, don't touch yourselves, you'll be throwing life to the toilet. Girls, don't have the period, you'll be loosing your eggs!!!!! You're only supposed to have babies in this life, even if you're 14 and you've been raped, you'll have to keep that baby to forever remember that you had to close your legs and take the next day pill instead of going to the police and doctors!!!!!! 

[KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451]

14 minutes ago, SomethingMore said:

WTF

you are asking me to support MURDER of innocent children?

Good****ingbye !

EDIT : and what the **** is up with that person above me writing some fan fiction essay. I could probably do the same thing, write an essay and explain how being homophobic in certain situations is okay. And how dare you call someone stupid just cuz he disagrees with you?

 

Murder? Innocent children? Are you ****ing kidding me? Those are not children, they are CELLS. They don't even have a brain or a heart, wtf!!!!!! This is SUPER retrograde. Let me just put you all with those thoughts in my ignore list, I can't cope with these.

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14 minutes ago, CLLGaga said:

 

And you also know that there's still a chance that you can get pregnant even with protected sex?

 

Having sex is still a choice you make weather protected or unprotected.. im not a woman but if I was one, I would only have sex with men I truly love and have a long relationship with who have the potential to be my husband and a father of my child so if I get pregnant, I wont have to abort the child. Im a man and I do that already..
 

5 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

A fetus is NOT a human being, what if a woman just aborts naturally? Then I can't kill a flower because it has life and cells too, right? If a woman was raped she has to keep the baby too, right? If it's a 14 year old girl she has to keep the baby too, right? Come on. It's hard enough for the mother to abort.

 

4 minutes ago, Bebe said:

"Science does show that at conception the person is alive"

Well that's highly misleading. Science shows us the skin cells on our arm are alive, I just took a hot shower and dried myself off with a towel killing millions of lives (skin cells) in the process. The skin cells on my arm also had the same potential for life, under the right conditions the skin cell can be converted into an embryo.

Consciousness starts around the 30 week mark. Studies using electroencephalography have found that functional pain does not exist before 29-30 weeks. 
 

 

1 minute ago, FATCAT said:

Well there's the factor that's unaligned. Your definition of a human is different than my use. Obviously a zygote or any living cell is alive, but that doesn't give them human rights. Besides, his analogy doesn't align with the realities of conception and birth. A dialysis machine doesn't have rights.

This video will answer all your questions:
 

 

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4 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

Guys, don't touch yourselves, you'll be throwing life to the toilet. Girls, don't have the period, you'll be loosing your eggs!!!!! You're only supposed to have babies in this life, even if you're 14 and you've been raped, you'll have to keep that baby to forever remember that you had to close your legs and take the next day pill instead of going to the police and doctors!!!!!! 

 

[KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451]

4 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Having sex is still a choice you make weather protected or unprotected.. im not a woman but if I was one, I would only have sex with men I truly love and have a long relationship with who have the potential to be my husband and a father of my child so if I get pregnant, I wont have to abort the child. Im a man and I do that already..
 

 

 

This video will answer all your questions:
 

 

You are a man, and closed minded, a video is useless and you can't understand a girl's situation. "If I was one..." just no, you know nothing. I'd have a disabled older sister with several mental issues that wouldn't even kept her alive if my mom didn't abort. Did she have to keep the baby for that baby to have such a desgraceful life? Like she wouldn't even be able to think and to talk, she'd be like a vegetal and it would've destroyed my whole family. She had to keep the baby, right? Don't be ****ing selfish. What if my mom was raped? I'd have to have a brother that no one would know who's the father and she would have something for ever to remind her that she was raped, is that ok? How the ****ing **** is a woman supposed to be thinking about using a condon when she is being raped? And what if a condom just breaks and it's an accident? Is that just the woman's fault? You know nothing at all.

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2 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Having sex is still a choice you make weather protected or unprotected.. im not a woman but if I was one, I would only have sex with men I truly love and have a long relationship with who have the potential to be my husband and a father of my child so if I get pregnant, I wont have to abort the child. Im a man and I do that already

So basically you want abortion to be illegal because of your religious or personal views, and you want billions of women that don't have the same views to suffer the consequences. Ok 

[Bebe 17,289]

6 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

Having sex is still a choice you make weather protected or unprotected.. im not a woman but if I was one, I would only have sex with men I truly love and have a long relationship with who have the potential to be my husband and a father of my child so if I get pregnant, I wont have to abort the child. Im a man and I do that already..
 

 

 

This video will answer all your questions:
 

 

Watched until the video actually addressed my point, which was on pain, and that's when she got the facts wrong unfortunately. She said 8 weeks, which is way waaaaayyyy off. Recently Republican House members tried to claim pain started at 20 weeks in an attempt to ban abortion beyond this point - but even they where wrong.

"Published research generally supports an experience of pain being possible only later in gestation than 20 weeks. A synthesis of available evidence was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2005 by experts from the University of California, San Francisco, and elsewhere, and their report concluded: “Evidence regarding the capacity for fetal pain is limited but indicates that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester.” The third trimester begins at 27 to 28 weeks from conception.

The perception of pain requires an awareness of an unpleasant stimulus — receptors throughout the body must send a signal to the brain, where it can be processed as pain. One reason the JAMA review finds early pain perception unlikely is that the connections between the thalamus, a sort of relay center in the brain, and the cortex have not yet formed. This happens between 23 and 30 weeks gestational age, and the authors argue these connections are a precursor for pain perception. They also cite studies using electroencephalography that have shown the capacity for functional pain in preterm newborns “probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks.”"

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a-fetus-feel-pain-at-20-weeks/

A fetus that is unconscious and cannot feel pain can't be regarded as a moral subject.

[CLLGaga 928]

6 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

 

Should gay marriage be illegal too because religious ppl don't approve? 

[Bear 7,515]

I think it has everything to do with consciousness. The potential baby is not conscious until the 30th week, yet 90% of all abortions are completed before the 12th. Plenty of things are "alive" but without consciousness they are not a person.   

Everyone deserves the right to choose; we need to make the distinction between personal beliefs and the facts. If you're against abortion and find yourself unexpectedly pregnant than feel free to follow your beliefs and carry on with the pregnancy, but don't try and force it onto others. 

[KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451]

Just now, Bebe said:

Watched until the video actually addressed my point, which was on pain, and that's when she got the facts wrong unfortunately. She said 8 weeks, which is way waaaaayyyy off. Recently Republican House members tried to claim pain started at 20 weeks in an attempt to ban abortion beyond this point - but even they where wrong.

"Published research generally supports an experience of pain being possible only later in gestation than 20 weeks. A synthesis of available evidence was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2005 by experts from the University of California, San Francisco, and elsewhere, and their report concluded: “Evidence regarding the capacity for fetal pain is limited but indicates that fetal perception of pain is unlikely before the third trimester.” The third trimester begins at 27 to 28 weeks from conception.

The perception of pain requires an awareness of an unpleasant stimulus — receptors throughout the body must send a signal to the brain, where it can be processed as pain. One reason the JAMA review finds early pain perception unlikely is that the connections between the thalamus, a sort of relay center in the brain, and the cortex have not yet formed. This happens between 23 and 30 weeks gestational age, and the authors argue these connections are a precursor for pain perception. They also cite studies using electroencephalography that have shown the capacity for functional pain in preterm newborns “probably does not exist before 29 or 30 weeks.”"

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/does-a-fetus-feel-pain-at-20-weeks/

A fetus that is unconscious and cannot feel pain can't be regarded as a moral subject.

Just like when we are in a surgery room with anesthesia and we don't feel the pain when we're gettin surgery. Isn't it THAT obvious? I mean........ We are alive and they"re cutting our stomach and we dont even feel it, but they care about what some cells feel when aborting. People is just......

[FATCAT 60,888]

3 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said:

 

This video will answer all your questions:

 

Morality is not this clear-cut set of rules. If you detract the details, you morph the question. Your video is no help, and in fact, hurts.

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11 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said:

You are a man, and closed minded, a video is useless and you can't understand a girl's situation. "If I was one..." just no, you know nothing. I'd have a disabled older sister with several mental issues that wouldn't even kept her alive if my mom didn't abort. Did she have to keep the baby for that baby to have such a desgraceful life? Like she wouldn't even be able to think and to talk, she'd be like a vegetal and it would've destroyed my whole family. She had to keep the baby, right? Don't be ****ing selfish. What if my mom was raped? I'd have to have a brother that no one would know who's the father and she would have something for ever to remind her that she was raped, is that ok? How the ****ing **** is a woman supposed to be thinking about using a condon when she is being raped? And what if a condom just breaks and it's an accident? Is that just the woman's fault? You know nothing at all.

Morality is a objective matter so everyone should have a say in it regardless of my sex or gender.

My mom also aborted her child because she had MS but in these circumstances its ok just like I support abortion when its rape.

If the condom break then you shouldnt have sex with random people. 

9 minutes ago, CLLGaga said:

So basically you want abortion to be illegal because of your religious or personal views, and you want billions of women that don't have the same views to suffer the consequences. Ok 

where did you get the idea that im against abortion because of religion? my religion actually allows abortion. Being a rational person with standards does not equal being religious.

8 minutes ago, CLLGaga said:

Should gay marriage be illegal too because religious ppl don't approve? 

Gay Marriage is a personal right and issue that does not effect anyone so I support it to the fullest.. where did you get the idea that im against abortion because of religion? my religion actually allows abortion.