CLLGaga 928 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said: When another human is involved, its not a womens right issue anymore, its the child's right too. According to science, the child is alive so dont even try to make that argument. The argument most people who are pro choice say is even if its alive, its the womans choice!! You're focusing on the rights of the fetus, but ignoring the rights of the mother. Humans have authority over their own bodies. I might agree that the fetus has a right to live, but that right to live does not create an obligation on the mother to provide her body. If there were a way for the mother to deny the fetus access to her body without killing it, then I would agree that killing it is unethical, but presently there is no middle ground. The rights of the fetus don't trump the rights of the mother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,888 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: When another human is involved, its not a womens right issue anymore, its the child's right too. According to science, the child is alive so dont even try to make that argument. The argument most people who are pro choice say is even if its alive, its the womans choice!! So, in effect, you're calling a zygote a human? This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, CLLGaga said: You're focusing on the rights of the fetus, but ignoring the rights of the mother. Humans have authority over their own bodies. I might agree that the fetus has a right to live, but that right to live does not create an obligation on the mother to provide her body. If there were a way for the mother to deny the fetus access to her body without killing it, then I would agree that killing it is unethical, but presently there is no middle ground. The rights of the fetus don't trump the rights of the mother. Yeah I wonder if there is only a way to do that.. DONT HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX! A mothers right does not over ride a babies right specially when his existence is based on his mothers poor choices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 46 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: Science does show that at conception the person is alive. Whether merely being alive is enough to confer rights depends on your morality. Also, if you support a woman's right to own her body, you should also support all kind of drugs even the most dangerous and support prostitution. But I do tho, so what's your point?! Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, FATCAT said: So, in effect, you're calling a zygote a human? Not me, science.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Just now, En_Sabah_Nur said: But I do tho, so what's your point?! Most people dont support that and I wanted to show them that they dont support a womans choice over her body, they just support abortion, I was obviously not talking to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: Most people dont support that and I wanted to show them that they dont support a womans choice over her body, they just support abortion, I was obviously not talking to you. Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,888 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: Not me, science.. Science is a method, not an entity. Show us the research, give us the scientists names. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, En_Sabah_Nur said: But I do tho, so what's your point?! yup. legalizing drugs and informing the public about them in an honest way imo, will actually bring down addiction rates and take lots of money out of the pockets of criminals. i'm for freedom I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLLGaga 928 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: Yeah I wonder if there is only a way to do that.. DONT HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX! A mothers right does not over ride a babies right specially when his existence is based on his mothers poor choices. You cannot kill something that does not exist honey. And you also know that there's still a chance that you can get pregnant even with protected sex? Anyway I'm going to assume you're a dumb 15 year old. There are two sides that you MUST consider, and it seems now that you are only considering one - the fetus. I'm not going to bother with comparing the embryos of mammals, etc. You probably know the science. Just keep in mind that a very large percentage of the human adult population do not see a human embryo before a certain point of development as being a "human". Just keep that in mind for a few minutes. You're 15, so you probably have a vivid imagination. Imagine that you are a 15-year-old girl. Now imagine the most repulsive human male you can. I'm talking diseased, overweight putrid PIG of a psychopathic human being. Now imagine you get raped by that monstrosity in the most violent rape you can imagine that you just barely survive, scarred and disfigured. Now imagine not finding out you're pregnant until two months later. Honestly, spend some time just imagining that situation, and trying your best to put yourself into those shoes. Now tell me if that was you, you wouldn't feel like you had a right to end that pregnancy, even though it posed no direct risk to your life. Tell me that if you try to get that abortion, you should be sent to prison, because it is against the law. That's Case 1. Now, imagine that your family has been plagued by a terrible disease like Tay-Sachs. If your child gets the genetic roll of the dice, there is no hope. The child will get the disease, and you will have to watch them waste away over the course of a few years. There will be no quality of life, no hope, no happiness. Just misery. Imagine you are a pregnant woman who has just found out through a simple test that her baby with 100% certainty has this fate ahead. No possible hope. Only pain, for years until the guilty happiness you'll feel when death finally ends your child's suffering. Now tell me if that was you, you wouldn't feel like the right thing to do would be to just spare everybody the misery, and end the pregnancy. It's a heartbreaking situation, and everybody will be sad, but honestly, if you chose to get an abortion in that situation, should you be sent to prison? Should the doctor who performed it, sparing your family that tragedy, lose his/her license and be jailed? That's Case 2. From there, it's just a bunch of levels of degree and gray areas to pretty much any other woman who has had to make that choice. Try to empathize with any of those women, and you'll probably have to start granting more and more exceptions to your "no abortions" rule. "Ok, incest too. Ok, certain genetic diseases too. Ok, extreme rape too..." As you mature, if you honestly keep revisiting the question, I'll bet you have to add enough exceptions where you realize that everybody's life is different, and every woman deserves control over her own life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_Sabah_Nur 9,366 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Luiz said: yup. legalizing drugs and informing the public about them in an honest way imo, will actually bring down addiction rates and take lots of money out of the pockets of criminals. i'm for freedom Yep! Just like Portugal did... Egypt. W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingMore 1,701 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 WTF you are asking me to support MURDER of innocent children? Good****ingbye ! EDIT : and what the **** is up with that person above me writing some fan fiction essay. I could probably do the same thing, write an essay and explain how being homophobic in certain situations is okay. And how dare you call someone stupid just cuz he disagrees with you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,888 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 15 minutes ago, faysalaaa1 said: Yeah I wonder if there is only a way to do that.. DONT HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX! A mothers right does not over ride a babies right specially when his existence is based on his mothers poor choices. Rape. Such a poor choice by the victim. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 12 minutes ago, FATCAT said: Science is a method, not an entity. Show us the research, give us the scientists names. If a woman is rape, its another subject and I support abortion.. women who get rape would kill that chance of getting pregnant before it happens though. This guy supports abortion yet still admits a fetus is a alive person.. he talks about it from a scientific perception and almost all scientists agree with that, its just weather you should abort the alive fetus or not is where they disagree. Here is the video: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 1 hour ago, faysalaaa1 said: Science does show that at conception the person is alive. Whether merely being alive is enough to confer rights depends on your morality. Also, if you support a woman's right to own her body, you should also support all kind of drugs even the most dangerous and support prostitution. A fetus is NOT a human being, what if a woman just aborts naturally? Then I can't kill a flower because it has life and cells too, right? If a woman was raped she has to keep the baby too, right? If it's a 14 year old girl she has to keep the baby too, right? Come on. It's hard enough for the mother to abort. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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