FATCAT 60,938 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, Whispering said: A racist, bigoted billionaire that can do and say anything and still the Republicans vote for him and the most bigoted in society are coming out to vote for. That same bigot that easily knocked out 15 other Republican candidates, with organized ground games, millions of dollars in ad money and support from every Republican resource available. The DNC didn't elect Clinton. The millions of voters did. The election wasn't rigged, it followed the same guidelines it has followed for decades of elections. Hillary won the popular vote and the delegate state vote, actually by more than Obama best her in 2008. Your guy got less votes. He lost the nomination. I hope that dream helps you sleep at night. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Mikebristow said: You are right. My four best friends are Mexican and one Black and they said they are voting Trump. They are in the minority in their demographic. There has been, and always will be, Black and Hispanic Republicans. In fact, tonight's moderator is a Republican By the way, my comment never stated that all voters were white or they were all voting for the same reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Listerine 14 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I have a question for you American monsters Even if it doesn't concern you personally, why did you choose Hilary and Trump in the first place, if you find them both not eligible for presidency? I mean you had Bernie and others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, FATCAT said: I hope that dream helps you sleep at night. This is how the election process works in the US. It isn't "rigged" because you didn't get the result you wanted. One day, you will learn this...or maybe you will be like Trump and continue to carry the immature blame and whine game into your seventies. Most people do grow out of it, thankfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, Whispering said: The same people, who are coming out of the woodwork for Trump, would still be doing so. The same Republicans would be falling in line. The same people who are looking for a complete change from Democrats would be voting for Trump. The same racists, who are energized for the first time in decades, would be out in full force. The same "us against them" (think Brexit vote) wave that we see in Europe and also in the US would be gaining ground. I know you don't want to believe this can be the case...I don't want to believe it, but there are disturbing and unsettling factors here that we are seeing. ^ This. Whether you think Bernie could've won the nomination if the DNC hadn't favored Hillary or not doesn't change this. Nor does it change the fact that Bernie as a candidate did fail to properly address all of his target demographics (including People of Color). I noticed this before it became relatively impossible for him to win and I was afraid it wouldn't get much better and it pretty much didn't unfortunately There's so much privilege in the ability to throw up your arms and say that whatever happens next isn't your fault, its the powers that be ('s fault), but its not over yet and if people actually want even some of the progressive, liberal policies and ideas they will work their asses off to unite people under the one candidate who will accomplish this, and that is Hillary Clinton. You can vote 3rd party or dont vote all you want, but I think getting hung up on Bernie's loss is a waste of time and is actually dangerous for certain people in this country. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werk 13,166 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, Listerine said: I have a question for you American monsters Even if it doesn't concern you personally, why did you choose Hilary and Trump in the first place, if you find them both not eligible for presidency? I mean you had Bernie and others? Right? smh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Born To Slay 10,996 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 26 minutes ago, Whispering said: The same people, who are coming out of the woodwork for Trump, would still be doing so. The same Republicans would be falling in line. The same people who are looking for a complete change from Democrats would be voting for Trump. The same racists, who are energized for the first time in decades, would be out in full force. The same "us against them" (think Brexit vote) wave that we see in Europe and also in the US would be gaining ground. I know you don't want to believe this can be the case...I don't want to believe it, but there are disturbing and unsettling factors here that we are seeing. I think Bernies outsider appeal could've led people angry with democrats to vote for him. I think Bernie would've used the "us vs them" thing as well. Bernie was similar to Trump In the sense that he was seen as an outsider who railed against the system. So Bernie would be doing better with the populist anger crowd (the non racist part) then Clinton is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikebristow 35 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 ENOUGH! I am sooo SICK and TIRED of the elite press telling me who shouldn't and who should be President. We get to decided who. And tomorrow night anyone who votes SHOULD watch the debates to hear things unfiltered out of their own mouth.... if you DON'T watch most of the debate and then try to spew nonsensical opinions around that you get from the elite press, I have nothing to say to you accept enjoy your ignorance. This is your chance to sit and listen to two people who stepped up and decided to run for President of these Great United States of America; something none of us has done. So show respect and give Trump and Clinton a chance to earn your vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,938 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, Whispering said: This is how the election process works in the US. It isn't "rigged" because you didn't get the result you wanted. One day, you will learn this...or maybe you will be like Trump and continue to carry the immature blame and whine game into your seventies. Most people do grow out of it, thankfully. I never said that it was rigged because I didn't like the result. I said it was rigged because we have evidence that the arbitrator worked in tandem with one of the candidates to trash the other. It's not an immature blame game. If anyone needs to grow up and stop being immature, it's the one throwing insults. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Justan Peterson said: Historically, the first debate only shifts polls by an average of 2.6%, which usually doesn't affect the state of the race (except when Reagan pulled ahead in the 80s). However, you're right, the debate can change the polls this time, because Clinton and Trump are within the margin of error. So Clinton winning the debate could theoretically give her a 2% boost, and the same could be said for Trump if he wins. Trump has more to gain here, because he's set himself up as a crazy person, so anything more "presidential" will seem like he's a "good guy" and could help him even more. Recent polling shows the over half of likely voters are going to use this debate to decide who to vote for. Editig to update with poll: https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/09/26/debates-to-help-half-of-us-voters-decide-between-clinton-trump-reutersipsos.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 5 minutes ago, Born To Slay said: I think Bernies outsider appeal could've led people angry with democrats to vote for him. I think Bernie would've used the "us vs them" thing as well. Bernie was similar to Trump In the sense that he was seen as an outsider who railed against the system. So Bernie would be doing better with the populist anger crowd (the non racist part) then Clinton is now. Bernie isn't an outsider. His only real jobs have been in political office. The "us vs them thing" deals with race and immigrants, not politicians vs a businessman. Bernie wasn't an outsider, not in the way that those voting for Trump are looking for. Bernie couldn't even win the popular vote, due to his lack of history and outreach to minority communities. More pissed off college people would have showed up for him in the general, but the minority vote would be staying home. It's already hard enough for them to vote in many areas of the country, so they are already pushed to staying home. Also, if Democrats don't feel passionate, they stay home. Republicans fall in line, and most importantly, show up to vote! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALGAYDO 35,404 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 46 minutes ago, Listerine said: I have a question for you American monsters Even if it doesn't concern you personally, why did you choose Hilary and Trump in the first place, if you find them both not eligible for presidency? I mean you had Bernie and others? Yes, we had more candidates. But these two just happen to be the most popular. That's it. Bernie was huge but not big enough to win the D nomination. It's literally that simple lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,960 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Listerine said: I have a question for you American monsters Even if it doesn't concern you personally, why did you choose Hilary and Trump in the first place, if you find them both not eligible for presidency? I mean you had Bernie and others? Well most voters DID vote for them two so I wouldn't say they think they are ineligible. The issue is people here don't vote. They don't vote in the primaries and then complain about the two choices OTHERS made for them. The US has low voter turnout compared to other developed nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titzlol 607 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 5 hours ago, littlepotter said: What does Adele have to do in all this NOOOOOOO Lmao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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