KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I see so much negativity since Perfect Illusion was released. It happened the same when ARTPOP was released but I wasn't here, now I can talk to you. People are hating PI because it's too indie. Ok, we are used to Gaga giving us pop music. If you don't like her current sound, she isn't asking you to buy it. "Perfect Illusion is too rock". Hello? Gaga said months ago that she was tired of being a money making machine. Have you listened to Red And Blue? Have you seen her performances at the Bitter End and Lollapalooza 2007? Do you see a popstar there? I DON'T. And there weren't record labels managing her during that era. She was just making the music she wanted to do. Of course she and Interscope knew they weren't going too far with that sound. Disco Heaven, Brown Eyes and Disco Heaven are from 2007, do you really think she'd succeed with that sound? I DONT. Of course she had to make pop music and work with the biggest producer around to become huge, she isn't silly. All her songs are written on a piano, and I'm completely sure she'd have preferred for Poker Face to sound more rockish than pop. Gaga is now making themusic she's always loved to do. She is a fan of Bowie and she's always said that, since the beginning. I know she likes You And I more than Judas. If you don't like that Gaga is now having freedom to make what she likes, you can live. We all knowher next album won't be like Joanne. "Perfect Illusion is a huge flop". How? "Into You" peaked at 17 on the Hot100 with promo at the BBMA and Dangerous Woman being released at that time. It's still one of the best pop songs released this year. Of course we see Cheap Thrills being a hit. We see Closer too. Are they really important? Sia's discography from before she became huge is way better than what she's releasing now that she is relevant. No one will remember the Chainsmokers next year, and they're behind a HUGE promo plan, just like Interscope did in 2008 with their new artist Lady GaGa, if you didn't know her at that time, you will never know what is promo for a new artist because she literally performed Poker Face at EVERY tv show. "Gaga is fake, she is real now" JUST NO! She's always been real, but she knew she had to make something sellable to be recognized. She is a complete artist, not a singer. She loved The Fame, Born This Way and ARTPOP as much as she loved CTC, it's just that they happened at different times in her career and life. I don't like the same music I liked 10 years ago. We all have grown up, she has too, and super fast. Some of those who complain about her being flopping would never have the courage to appear in front of the whole world almost naked or in a meat dress, or perform in front of 100 or 50.000 people. See how much courage she's had to have to be where she is today. Can you imagine being an artist and wanting to make something and the company saying "No, this is too weird,it won't sell". Oh, Brooklyn Nights isn't on ARTPOP, right? Imagine yourself creating a song,writting and composing it, and then someone else deciding it's too crap for them to buy it. This happens all the time with every artist. It's not that they have the songs already selected and they call a singer to just record them, and this happens too, we all know who are they. Do you prefer Gaga releasing her OWN music but floping, or just releasing what the company wants her to release to only have a #1 on the charts? "Lady Gaga is a FLOP". Really? the girl is talented enough to make, and I say MAKE music and art. Lemonade is considered a hit, right? it's sold 1 million in the US. Beyoncé's whole discography has sold 17,2 million. Do you know what album has outsold Beyoncé's discography? The Fame + Monster. An album and an EP have outsold a whole discography by someone that is considered legendary, and I agree Beyonce is legendary, there's no shade here, just an example of it all. Streaming is now the most important thing in music industry along with digital sales. Do you know? iTunes keeps 40% of the earnings of each sale. Here comes the numbers now! Now that streaming and digital sales are important, record labels aren't interested in promoting artists that are already established. And it's obvious. We see The Chainsmokers are now on the #1 because their label is making so much promo for them. They're new. And they know they can't have a strong fanbase so they have to promote the music for people to buy it and then make some money. Gaga is already established. They made EVERYTHING to build a strong fanbase, and that with her proven love for her fans, it works. Why would you invest money to promote a song that, if we talk only about iTunes sales, will only give you 60% of the benefits? Artists make so little money from the actual music, it all goes to marketers, labels, etc. If a song is 1,29$, they will only earn 0,77 cents from it. If the song sells 1 million, they'd make 770.000$. Selling a million is considered a good thing, right? They already know her fanbase will buy the product, so at least they will make some money from it. Knowing that Gaga is already famous, they don't have to invest in promotion because they already have those "clients" to buy the product. Maybe they're not MILLIONS, but it will be something at least. Gaga being established now means that a fanbase will attend her shows. And there's where the good money is made! Did you see Beyoncé promoting Lemonade? Nope. She performed at the SuperBowl and then announced her tour and tickets went on sale shortly after. She did the same with "Beyonce". One iTunes sale from a song will give Gaga 0,77 cents. One ticket sale will give her at least 60$. Of course they have to rent the venue, pay promoters, stage etc. but one arena with 20.000 people and 20.000 tickets sold at 80$ average, that's 1.600.000$ for ONE night. If a song sells a million copies, they make 770.000$. If she sells out an arena one night, they double that. Would you pay money to promote something that will give you less than one show? I wouldn't. And you know what? People will be interested in seeing her live after seeing her performance at the Oscars 2015 and 2016, the Grammys, the SuperBowl with the Anthem. Now they know she is amazing live and they will be interested, even if Perfect Illusion doesn't sound like a mega radio hit. Promo with Gaga is about "see this girl because she really can". Madonna sold out the Rebel Heart Tour and the album was a huge flop. But people knew who is Madonna so they went to see her. And she has a fanbase, but there were a lot of people just going there because "she is Madonna". Did people actually loved Lemonade so much? Or is Beyoncé selling out the Formation Tour because people know "She is Beyonce". Well, after the promo Bobby has done from Cheek to Cheek to the first half of 2016, people know now what is Gaga live. So stop complaining about album or single sales because all the money they make from those sales goes to the companies. People don't even buy music now with streaming. few people buy CDs nowadays. Of course, The Immaculate Collection sold 12978937493 million copies, but that was the only way to get the music in the 90s. Of course The Fame and The Fame Monster sold a lot, Spotify wasn't huge at that time. Born This Way sold 8 million copies in 2011, and Spotify already existed but streaming wasn't being counted, that means she already had a fanbase, not because it was promoted, it was, of course, but . ARTPOP flopped!? Oh yes it didn't sell a lot, but there are so little albums that have really sold A LOT from 2013 to 2016. Yes, Adele did, but she is the queen of GP and they have jobs and can buy the music, they won't use streaming. Even Cheek to Cheek sold really good in the US. Do you think teenagers went to buy that album? Do you really think her fanbase bought a million copies of C2C in the US? No, that was the GP. Starstruck selling almost a million? that was the GP too. if you really want Gaga to be around for a long tiime, save money from where you can and buy tickets to her shows. They already knew with ARTPOP that the tour would sell well, they already knew it with the Formation Tour, they knew it with the Rebel Heart Tour, and they know it for the Joanne Tour. Sorry for writting the Bible, but next time I see anyone complaining about things they don't know about, I'll just link them to this post. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayonetta 9,844 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 i think this is the longest post ive ever seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just now, PERFECTILLUSION said: i think this is the longest post ive ever seen I like to write and I always try my best for people to understand what I try to tell. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsyLova 307 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Yet another meltdown over people not liking Perfect Illusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayonetta 9,844 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just now, KURUSHITOVSKA said: I like to write and I always try my best for people to understand what I try to tell. i havent read it but i proably agree and will give u a like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just now, GypsyLova said: Yet another meltdown over people not liking Perfect Illusion If you read it, you'd know it's not about it. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyjuicy 1,985 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Lol meltdown noted. But not everyone dislikes PI just 'cause it's not a pop song...some people dislike PI because it's just not a very good composition in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Sia's music is better now than it was before Your entire opinion and post is invalidated by you stating that opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinneyUnderYou 0 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, KURUSHITOVSKA said: "Into You" peaked at 13 on the Hot100 Interesting read. I love how you poured your feelings into this. I understand you, and a lot of us will. The best we can do is to ignore all of the negativity, and fight it with positivity. I am personally not reading any negative thread. I have no idea what's going on honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just now, juicyjuicy said: Lol meltdown noted. But not everyone dislikes PI just 'cause it's not a pop song...some people dislike PI because it's just not a very good composition in general. This post is not a meltdown because they don't like PI, it's my thoughts about what's been happening here lately. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpookyKid 15,153 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Life has a hopeful undertone |-/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase 407 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 meh, too long to read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Chic said: Sia's music is better now than it was before Your entire opinion and post is invalidated by you stating that opinion My opinion is as valid as yours, You can like her current music more, but critics know it was better before, and I know it because I've know Sia for a long time. Her music is now more "Pop",it's more appealing of course! But I feel it was more authentic before when there wasnt a record label wanting to make huge money from her. It's all Titanium's fault. You can't invalidate a whole movie because you don't like the director, so don't invalidate my thoughts. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torsoface 3,262 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 It wasn't nearly this bad during AP era. Aura leak gave LIFE and applause was (almost) instant bop. But PI is just 'meh' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KURUSHITOVSKA 20,451 Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Just now, Pink Haze said: meh, too long to read if you didn't want to read it, you didn't have to. You didn't have to write a useless comment too. There are people in this forum that really like to think and use their brains. ¿Qué currículum tiene ésta tarántula? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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