Armed police remove woman's clothes at beach in France

[Florian 20,017]

2 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Whatever. These women are humiliated and fined for their choice of clothing. That's all.

 

See, that's much better expressed with no wrong facts. 

I also find these decrees a bit too much even if the principle of secularism allows it.

[Born To Slay 10,996]

2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

So liberal. So Democratic. So free. 

Lol. Western hypocrisy at its finest. 

This is fake liberalism, anyone that would pass such legislation has no business identifying as liberal or progressive. 

[Florian 20,017]

7 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

This is fake liberalism, anyone that would pass such legislation has no business identifying as liberal or progressive. 

These decrees are covered and justified by the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen and by the Secularism Law which state that religious manifestations are allowed in the public space only if it doesn't trouble public order.

In such place as the Promenade des Anglais in Nice (where those pictrures has been taken) where dramatic events happened because of religion, It's legitimate that such means are exerted. Do I find them moral? No. Are they legal ? Yes. Are they against the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen ? No.

As stated before, I think that it's an over the top decree. But people in Nice doesn't feel safe anymore and the Mayor acted in the way he thought it would be the best for his city. 

[Born To Slay 10,996]

10 minutes ago, Florian said:

These decrees are covered and justified by the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen and by the Secularism Law which state that religious manifestations are allowed in the public space only if it doesn't trouble public order.

In such place as the Promenade des Anglais in Nice (where those pictrures has been taken) where dramatic events happened because of religion, It's legitimate that such means are exerted. Do I find them moral? No. Are they legal ? Yes. Are they against the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen ? No.

As stated before, I think that it's an over the top decree. But people in Nice doesn't feel safe anymore and the Mayor acted in the way he thought it would be the best for his city. 

It doesn't matter what events took place there, these woman should be allowed to where whatever they want and it doesn't matter how other people feel about it. 

I don't really care if the law is covered by that, it's still wrong. Laws are a reflection of who has power, not justice. There is no justice here, only bigotry. 

The Mayor was wrong and should undo this before causing further damaging the western worlds reputation and apparently the reputation of liberalism.

[Whispering 18,865]

40 minutes ago, Florian said:

It's not a law, it's a municipal decree, stop mixing everything and stupidly associating the whole country with some mayor's decision.

So, this is just a local policy? 

Even though I still don't think it should be a policy in the first place, this does give more information on this situation. 

[Alphaz 7,969]

disgusting

[Florian 20,017]

8 minutes ago, Born To Slay said:

It doesn't matter what events took place there, these woman should be allowed to where whatever they want and it doesn't matter how other people feel about it. 

I don't really care if the law is covered by that, it's still wrong. Laws are a reflection of who has power, not justice. There is no justice here, only bigotry. 

The Mayor was wrong and should undo this before causing further damaging the western worlds reputation and apparently the reputation of liberalism.

Do you know what social liberalism is ? Cause the bolded part just show how you don't. The whole liberalist philosophy is based on people who aren't selfish and care about each other  Once again I quote the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen which is a pillar of the liberalism : "Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others"

This decree actually brought a bunch of nice and interesting debate in France so I doubt it was a mistake. That's how a society evolves.

 

4 minutes ago, Whispering said:

So, this is just a local policy? 

Even though I still don't think it should be a policy in the first place, this does give more information on this situation. 

Yes, it's local. Only few cities took such extreme decisions.  

[Born To Slay 10,996]

6 minutes ago, Florian said:

Do you know what social liberalism is ? Cause the bolded part just show how you don't. The whole liberalist philosophy is based on people who aren't selfish and care about each other  Once again I quote the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen which is a pillar of the liberalism : "Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others"

This decree actually brought a bunch of nice and interesting debate in France so I doubt it was a mistake. That's how a society evolves.

 

Yes, it's local. Only few cities took such extreme decisions.  

Okay but wearing something that makes others uncomfortable isn't harming them in anyway. In fact, it's selfish to make people dress differently just because you don't like it. 

Liberalism is supposed to support liberty, equality and religious tolerance. Taking away a woman's right to wear something because of her religion isn't supporting any of those things. 

 

[Lion Heart 15,041]

 

[Luiz 4,253]

thought it was about someone having to get naked at the beach.

 nice title

[bionic 50,111]

On 8/24/2016 at 6:05 PM, FATCAT said:

You should be able to wear what you want, as long as it doesn't effect others. 

Hasn't this anti-burkini law been put in place because people have problems with people wearing them (and thus are being effected by them)?

[River 127,407]

I would forbid all the religious symbols and clothes and turn all the synagogues, mosques and churches into museums, but oh well.. I can only dream..

I can't support this law but I can't support the burkini, the law is stupid and it's purpose is just to piss off the muslims and the easy target is a woman, instead of dealing with the extremists and jail them.....

but I can't support a cloth that covers the freedom of the woman, her body and her freedom to ****ing swim like a normal person, like how we're supposed to swim, with minimal clothes, especially to stay under the sun to tan our body.

Please, buy a burkini and spend one hour with it inside the water and outside under the sun to take some tan, if it's possible.. they choose it, of course, they don't have any other choice, because they can't wear a bikini, and of course they'll say that it's their choice, because it's risky to say that it's not.. and the most annoying thing is that their husbands are shirtless.. **** you to all those men, cover yourselves!!!

And it's not only muslims women, I see those Jewish orthodox women, swimming with full clothes, with long skirts inside the water, ffs, it's not normal, it's humiliating, it's brainwashing and needs to stop!!

"god" didn't say cover yourself when you go to the beach, but a man said that and this action is too extremists.

 

 

 

 

[FATCAT 60,888]

57 minutes ago, bionic said:

Hasn't this anti-burkini law been put in place because people have problems with people wearing them (and thus are being effected by them)?

Unless their wardrobe is directly disrupting their activities, which it isn't, they should have any say in how someone dresses.

[lego 44,165]

1 hour ago, bionic said:

Hasn't this anti-burkini law been put in place because people have problems with people wearing them (and thus are being effected by them)?

 

 

 

anyway

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/world/europe/france-burkini-ban.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld&smtyp=cur&_r=0&referer=

[lego 44,165]

39 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

Unless their wardrobe is directly disrupting their activities, which it isn't, they should have any say in how someone dresses.

 

People can be offended or annoyed by other people having tattoos all over their body, piercings, men wearing make-up and female clothes, metalheads, gothic style etc etc. where could this "I'm offended by what you're wearing" lead to? How is that affecting really anyone?