Whispering 18,865 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, PaperIz said: Great. That's a lot to look forward to. Less idealism thanks for cheering me up. Also North Carolina Balance between idealism and reality is actually something to look forward to. It can give you a different point of reference. North Carolina could be a battleground state. NC has gone Republican eight out of the last nine elections, though. Just vote for a third party candidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bebe said: Yeah, I just don't think it's particularly wise to be so arrogant about your candidate and to actively dismiss the concerns of college students and a large section of the population. If these months have shown anything, it's that the majority of the country is fed up with the sort of establishment politics that don't represent them. Trump and Bernie are very different candidates, but the reaction comes from the same place, the feeling that establishment politicians aren't representing them or working towards solving the issues they face. You might feel content now that you candidate won, but the majority of the country is disillusioned by a system that is actively ignoring their concerns. To dismiss the current political climate and to reduce the vast majority of voters as naive and idealistic is a little bizarre - the majority wants change and in a working democracy the majority shouldn't be seen as idealistic... Once again, I never referred to the majority of the country. I'm going to ask you again to stop putting words in my mouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperIz 7,354 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, Whispering said: Balance between idealism and reality is actually something to look forward to. It can give you a different point of reference. North Carolina could be a battleground state. NC has gone Republican eight out of the last nine elections, though. Just vote for a third party candidate. I plan on it. I don't actually feel a burden of guilt or dread thinking of voting for someone who isn't Trump or Clinton Human generated art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, Whispering said: Once again, I never referred to the majority of the country. I'm going to ask you again to stop putting words in my mouth. Firstly haven't asked me to stop putting words in your mouth before and secondly I don't believe I have done that here. I'm just going off what very little you have said. You implied that Bernie supporters were naive and idealistic, in reality the anti-establishment candidates that have soared within both major parties (which includes Bernie Sanders) and the rise in support for independents and third party candidates would suggest that the majority of the country is tired of corporate, establishment politics. Here you are supporting an establishment candidate and you are referring to people disappointed by her being nominee as idealistic. But surely the political climate would show that the majority of the country is tired with establishment politics, which would make the majority of the country "idealistic" in their support of non-corporate, establishment candidates... If that is a misrepresentation of what you believe, it would be rather charitable of you to actually say something in response and expand on the original post I quoted rather than replying with two sentence responses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 29 minutes ago, PaperIz said: I plan on it. I don't actually feel a burden of guilt or dread thinking of voting for someone who isn't Trump or Clinton You shouldn't. You go into the voting booth alone and come out alone. No one knows who you voted for. (unless you tell them) Vote for the person you support the most. The reasons behind this personal decision will differ for everyone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 21 minutes ago, Bebe said: Firstly haven't asked me to stop putting words in your mouth before and secondly I don't believe I have don that here. I'm just going off what very little you have said. You implied that Bernie supporters were naive and idealistic, in reality the anti-establishment candidates that have soared within both major parties (which includes Bernie Sanders) and the rise in support for independents and third party candidates would suggest that the majority of the country is tired of corporate, establishment politics. Here you are supporting an establishment candidate and you are referring to people disappointed by her being nominee as idealistic. But surely the political climate would show that the majority of the country is tired with establishment politics, which would make the majority of the country "idealistic" in their support of non-corporate, establishment candidates... If that is a misrepresentation of what you believe, it would be rather charitable of you to actually say something in response and expand on the original post I quoted rather than replying with two sentence responses The first was in my edit. Sorry, I thought you would have seen it. Either way, you are still doing it. I am addressing one person in this discusscion, a member who I've had contact with in pm groups over the last year...someone that I know isn't out to troll and act ridiculous on this forum. I wasn't referring to every Bernie supporter (especially since 85 per cent of them are voting for Hillary). And...I'm not elaborating on it further than that, because I'm not going down that path right now. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 2 hours ago, FATCAT said: Dear, your ego is showing. Please discard it or shove it back down your throat. Nah, smart non-bigots always win and everyone else can side with David Duke or whatever. Bye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I seriously can't at you mess Bernie supporters. Even after he endorsed her and said he's going to make sure she wins, y'all stuck in January or something. Embarrassed, but I guess just because you're Gay/Bi/Gaga listener does not mean your IQ has to be high.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,289 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 36 minutes ago, Whispering said: The first was in my edit. Sorry, I thought you would have seen it. Either way, you are still doing it. I am addressing one person in this discusscion, a member who I've had contact with in pm groups over the last year...someone that I know isn't out to troll and act ridiculous on this forum. I wasn't referring to every Bernie supporter (especially since 85 per cent of them are voting for Hillary). And...I'm not elaborating on it further than that, because I'm not going down that path right now. Simple as that. Well I'm glad to hear that you don't think Bernie supporters are naive, but when you quote someone complaining about "corrupt leaders" and say that they are being idealistic than it's easy to see why you would give that impression Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Eh, it was inevitability, and the fight doesn't end here for progressivism. Still goin third party tho Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,162 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 8 hours ago, PaperIz said: It's not like I'm upset he lost, I'm upset that in the end the evil powerful people always win. I'm upset because there's no point in any of it. Bad always wins. You obviously know nothing about politics, you're very young (may be naive), Sanders is a Politician like Clinton. You are going to be hurt again in the future if you continue looking Messiah in politics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 6 hours ago, BoysBoysBoys652 said: I seriously can't at you mess Bernie supporters. Even after he endorsed her and said he's going to make sure she wins, y'all stuck in January or something. Embarrassed, but I guess just because you're Gay/Bi/Gaga listener does not mean your IQ has to be high.... Unfortunately some of us don't immediately run behind a female candidate just cause FEMALE!1!1!!1 HISTORY!!1!!1 progressive policy positions are more important than being able to scream YAS QUEEN Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Unfortunately some of us don't immediately run behind a female candidate just cause FEMALE!1!1!!1 HISTORY!!1!!1 progressive policy positions are more important than being able to scream YAS QUEEN They are a mess, just saying. Giving Hillary supporters a bad name I just came to say that you can scream YAS QUEEN for any candidate. I frequently call my straight male friends "sis" or "girl" or "hun", etc. Break those gender roles, smash that patriarchy 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,888 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said: Giving Hillary supporters a bad name Believe me, I don't really consider them a Hillary supporter, or penalize her supporters for their actions. Especially when someone discusses how low everyone else's IQ is, while not understanding basic principles. Motives and ideas are stronger than one candidate's run, but apparently if someone runs and looses then this person expects us to just give up, as if we only voted for the face, not the policies.(which makes me wonder what their reasons are for supporting any candidate, assuming they actually understand policy) This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 34 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Unfortunately some of us don't immediately run behind a female candidate just cause FEMALE!1!1!!1 HISTORY!!1!!1 progressive policy positions are more important than being able to scream YAS QUEEN No you're just ignorant. Hillary is the most qualified candidate who's ever run. Our President said so himself. You can be dismissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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