VIDEO: Sanders endorses Clinton

[Whispering 18,865]

4 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

It's not like I'm upset he lost, I'm upset that in the end the evil powerful people always win.  I'm upset because there's no point in any of it. Bad always wins.

Even more reason to lose faith. Yall have fun with Hillary. Let me be sad that everything sucks.

In the end, the people with the most votes win. Bernie never managed to gain the support of the minority groups. Women and POC decide on the democratic nominee and Bernie didn't sway enough of them. They have the most at stake and thet were skeptical of his policies without details. 

That's life. People are out for themselves. 

[PaperIz 7,354]

1 minute ago, AlexanderLevi2 said:

Do something about it and stop complaining. Sorry but you need to do more than just vote in your primary and complain about it online to make change in politics.

Stop please. You don't have the right and you don't know how involved I am in politics. I just came here to say im sad that all this is happening. Why is that so bad in your book? What is so wrong with being upset? You're clearly enjoying being upset with me. 

[PaperIz 7,354]

Just now, Whispering said:

In the end, the people with the most votes win. Bernie never managed to gain the support of the minority groups. Women and POC decide on the democratic nominee and Bernie didn't sway enough of them. They have the most at stake and thet were skeptical of his policies without details. 

That's life. People are out for themselves. 

Again. Everything sucks. If those people want evil. Let them have it. I'll be over here with no faith in the American people or in our corrupt leaders. 

[AlexanderLevi2 5,849]

Just now, PaperIz said:

Stop please. You don't have the right and you don't know how involved I am in politics. I just came here to say im sad that all this is happening. Why is that so bad in your book? What is so wrong with being upset? You're clearly enjoying being upset with me. 

Oh boy  Alright, have a good night being upset about it.

I "don't have the right" 

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4 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

I try to at least grasp the other side of the coin, to make an impartial judgment, but that right there, is a ****ing mess. You're misrepresenting passion with ego, and that's just plain evil.

You've officially drank the koolaid.

Lol, from the one who is so drunk on the kool aid, they can't see straight. 

[Bebe 17,289]

18 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

She's the establishment, she's a corporate puppet and a liar. I'm just really upset over all this. And I'm just tired of the Hillary supporters acting like she's so good when she just isn't. I'm depressed Bernie would support her. I hate everything byeeee 

Thank you for this but I'm still so upset. I don't things will change. I mean the same higher ups will always be in control.  What's the point?

The progressive movement is in its infancy. Bernie, during this nomination process, got a lot of support for his progressive policy ideas but it wasn't enough. It's people like Bernie who are trying to change the democratic party and all the support he has gathered tells us that the support for this change is growing.

We lost the ideological battle during this nomination process, but Bernie did succeed in pushing Hillary left. He did succeed in bringing campaign finance reform issues into the mainstream. He paved the way for future democratic nominees to run a campaign with similar progressive platforms that's free from big money and influence.

If Bernie chose to run as independent or support a third party candidate then it causes a fracture within the democratic party. It means that progressive democrats start voting third party and it leads to less support in this election and elections to come. By endorsing the candidate of one of the two major political parties, he not only works to prevent a Trump presidency but he keeps the progressives within one of these major parties. This means that instead of a true progressive candidate having to run as independent or third party (which would garner 0 press attention and little support) Bernie has carved out a space for progressives in the Democratic party. 

I get the disappointment, but Hillary = little change from President Obama while Trump = a huge turn towards conservative/right wing policies which will impact a lot of people. They are really the options as of now.

[FATCAT 60,888]

2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Lol, from the one who is so drunk on the kool aid, they can't see straight. 

I guess koolaid is a bad analogy..

Technically it's Stockholm syndrome.

[PaperIz 7,354]

3 minutes ago, AlexanderLevi2 said:

Oh boy  Alright, have a good night being upset about it.

I "don't have the right" 

You don't have the fking right. Who are you? What the **** man?

2 minutes ago, Bebe said:

The progressive movement is in its infancy. Bernie, during this nomination process, got a lot of support for his progressive policy ideas but it wasn't enough. It's people like Bernie who are trying to change the democratic party and all the support he has gathered tells us that the support for this change is growing.

We lost the ideological battle during this nomination process, but Bernie did succeed in pushing Hillary left. He did succeed in bringing campaign finance reform issues into the mainstream. He paved the way for future democratic nominees to run a campaign with similar progressive platforms that's free from big money and influence.

If Bernie chose to run as independent or support a third party candidate then it causes a fracture within the democratic party. It means that progressive democrats start voting third party and it leads to less support in this election and elections to come. By endorsing the candidate of one of the two major political parties, he not only works to prevent a Trump presidency but he keeps the progressives within one of these major parties. This means that instead of a true progressive candidate having to run as independent or third party (which would garner 0 press attention and little support) Bernie has carved out a space for progressives in the Democratic party. 

I get the disappointment, but Hillary = little change from President Obama while Trump = a huge turn towards conservative/right wing policies which will impact a lot of people. They are really the options as of now.

I'm sorry I simply will not vote for a candidate I don't believe in. And I never will believe in Hillary. Bernie supporting her doesn't help. It just doesn't. 

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4 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

Again. Everything sucks. If those people want evil. Let them have it. I'll be over here with no faith in the American people or in our corrupt leaders. 

Everything sucks! The sky is falling! How will we go on?  

Life will go on like it always has. Somewhere down the line, there will be another politician for you to get behind. You'll probably be older and less idealistic by then. Maybe it won't be so hard on you then, when you see that everyone is basically corrupt in various ways and out for their own best interests. 

[Bebe 17,289]

Just now, PaperIz said:

You don't have the fking right. Who are you? What the **** man?

I'm sorry I simply will not vote for a candidate I don't believe in. And I never will believe in Hillary. Bernie supporting her doesn't help. It just doesn't. 

That's okay, I get it's a hard decision. It's a legitimate moral dilemma, do you vote for the candidate most likely to beat the worst candidate? Or do you vote for a candidate more in line with your values knowing as a result you might end up with the worst candidate? 

Both options have their downsides, but for me the judgment call would be vote Hillary and continue supporting progressive ideas, movements and candidates now and in the future.

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5 minutes ago, PaperIz said:

I'm sorry I simply will not vote for a candidate I don't believe in. 

What state do you live in? 

[Bebe 17,289]

2 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Everything sucks! The sky is falling! How will we go on?  

Life will go on like it always has. Somewhere down the line, there will be another politician for you to get behind. You'll probably be older and less idealistic by then. Maybe it won't be so hard on you then, when you see that everyone is basically corrupt in various ways and out for their own best interests. 

You can't just dismiss all Sanders supporters as being idealistic  They still make up a huge percentage of voters and issues like campaign finance reform, climate change, the costs of education, private prisons and wage disparity are only growing as major issues future generations will have to face.

There are clearly huge differences between Sanders and Clinton, college students are voting for candidates that are fighting for their interests. The price of getting an education is huge and the minimum wage they are stuck on isn't helping things. 

To classify all these supporters as naive and idealistic is hugely condescending and dismissive of a huge and growing movement of people who feel like their issues are not being properly represented. 

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6 minutes ago, Bebe said:

You can't just dismiss all Sanders supporters as being idealistic  They still make up a huge percentage of voters and issues like campaign finance reform, climate change, the costs of education, private prisons and wage disparity are only growing as major issues future generations will have to face.

There are clearly huge differences between Sanders and Clinton, college students are voting for candidates that are fighting for their interests. The price of getting an education is huge and the minimum wage they are stuck on isn't helping things. 

To classify all these supporters as naive and idealistic is hugely condescending and dismissive of a huge and growing movement of people who feel like their issues are not being properly represented. 

That's my opinion on the last few months. You disagree. It happens. 

Oh, and I wasn't referring to all of Bernie's supporters. Please don't put words in my mouth. 

[PaperIz 7,354]

8 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Everything sucks! The sky is falling! How will we go on?  

Life will go on like it always has. Somewhere down the line, there will be another politician for you to get behind. You'll probably be older and less idealistic by then. Maybe it won't be so hard on you then, when you see that everyone is basically corrupt in various ways and out for their own best interests. 

Great. That's a lot to look forward to. Less idealism  thanks for cheering me up. Also North Carolina 

6 minutes ago, Bebe said:

That's okay, I get it's a hard decision. It's a legitimate moral dilemma, do you vote for the candidate most likely to beat the worst candidate? Or do you vote for a candidate more in line with your values knowing as a result you might end up with the worst candidate? 

Both options have their downsides, but for me the judgment call would be vote Hillary and continue supporting progressive ideas, movements and candidates now and in the future.

It's not much of a hard decision though. I don't want to vote for someone I don't trust. Thank you for being understanding though

[Bebe 17,289]

7 minutes ago, Whispering said:

That's my opinion on the last few months. You disagree. It happens. 

Yeah, I just don't think it's particularly wise to be so arrogant about your candidate and to actively dismiss the concerns of college students and a large section of the population. 

If these months have shown anything, it's that the majority of the country is fed up with the sort of establishment politics that don't represent them. Trump and Bernie are very different candidates, but the reaction comes from the same place, the feeling that establishment politicians aren't representing them or working towards solving the issues they face.

You might feel content now that you candidate won, but the majority of the country is disillusioned by a system that is actively ignoring their concerns. To dismiss the current political climate and to reduce the vast majority of voters as naive and idealistic is a little bizarre - the majority wants change and in a working democracy the majority shouldn't be seen as idealistic...