Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton

[Goosey 3,017]

21 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Not supporting Hillary is one less vote for her. One less vote for Hillary puts her one vote closer to Trump. The closer Hilary is the less likely she will win. A Trump presidency would effectively undermine almost EVERYTHING they worked for and would essentially inhibit any progress for decades. 

That's not what they say. Many Bernie supporters either (a) think a Trump presidency might be alright or (b) say a Trump presidency would shake the political system to its core, and that they'll take 4 years of bad and then a big change over decades more status quo.

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51 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Sanders supporters who are planing to vote for Trump over Hillary are not endorsing Trump's political positions, they are voting for an outsider candidate in hopes of hastening a political revolution, a political revolution which will not come if Hillary is elected. That is the argument I have seen put forward by people like Susan Sarandon and the majority of #NeverHillary voters. There are certainly some bad eggs, but I think it's ridiculous to call Sanders supports who refuse to vote for Hillary brainwashed, and say their motivations are rooted in spite.

As for Jill Stein, I haven't seen anyone call her perfect or suggest she be canonized. On the contrary I've seen a lot of her supporters criticizes and mock her wacky stances on vaccines and GMOs.

 

What's to make them think Trump is going to cause one in the first place though? I don't think having a particularly bad person being president is going to be enough to just suddenly tip the scales and make people realize we need change. We've had bad presidents before, and sure there's an undercurrent of distrust that's steadily rising, but how is it fair to just throw hundred's of millions of people's livelihoods under the bus on the off chance that something drastic MIGHT happen? But their lives will be relatively unchanged? The middle class and economy is kind of up in the air I think with Trump, but still, there's a reason PoC and Women are for Hillary  

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Heres what I see happening:

One: he actually delivers on his asinine promises to build a wall, stop immigrants and refugees, demonize muslims, etc. The bigoted right will see his presidency as a success and actively oppose any kind of revolutionary discussion or action. In that sense, He's really just a regular republican president with a different method and that is kind of a bad person  Could happen.

Two: hes a puppet to the GOP, the Religious Right, and Congress and he elects some Right-wing SC justices that probably swing back progress for decades on issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, guns, religious freedom/liberty, etc. I think this is the most likely scenario, but I don't think its radical enough to spark any sort of revolution.

Three: he does a decent job for white middle class people and is considered a "great" president ( or rather is made out to be one by the right and the media (similar to how people pretty much love Obama and his many achievements atm but hes still seen as being a bad president who accomplished nothing  ) -- and we vote in another Republican because of it. I don't see this happening at all, especially as white people become less and less the majority of the country and people become more and more liberal. Who knows though, maybe they will make strides in expanding voter suppression  

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I think at the most electing Trump will make us more likely, but not certain, to elect a "Bernie" level far left candidate next election cycle tbh  It'd be hardly the first time a bad president has set the country back and usually we just counteract it with "change" -- look at the Bush - Obama transition. Regardless, I don't see political revolution as any more likely to come from Trump than Hillary. At least with Hillary we can make incremental steps in the right direction and those will lead us to this so called "revolution" in a different way Hillary stands for pragmatic change, which a lot of people, especially minorities understandably put their faith in.

Also, I really dont think this complex idea is the motivation behind #NeverHillary. Maybe we've just been in different places, but I literally only hear it in the most fringe of places, most of it is just a moral "She stands for everything I don't and Jill isn't going to win" or something like Donald Trump at least has ____

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 hour ago, Goosey said:

That's not what they say. Many Bernie supporters either (a) think a Trump presidency might be alright or (b) say a Trump presidency would shake the political system to its core, and that they'll take 4 years of bad and then a big change over decades more status quo.

Which is stupid, because the next president will be picking the Supreme Court Justice seat that is still empty due to Republican delays, with RBG and Kennedy likely to be replaced next due to their advanced age. 

That's 3 seats likely to be filled by a Democratic choice. 3 seats that will influence the Supreme Court decision making decades down the line.

It's not four years. It's far more. It would also literally reverse the progress done by progressives, with Trump at best not stepping in the way as the Republican controlled House eliminates many of the policies adopted during Obama's administration.

Do people think a country can only move forward? It can move backward.

4 years of Trump undoes decades of liberal progress. Not to mention it would squash ANY progress done by Bernie's movement.

So while you may welcome that being a Canadian Trump supporter for the sole reason that he supports guns and stuff, a Bernie supporter is outright insane for believing that.

It's not about Trump winning. It's about Republicans winning. Who the hell wants that after the disasters of the last few Republican presidents?

No amount of reasoning can make logical sense of this. This is like someone choosing to play Russian Roulette when they can just roll dice instead.

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7 hours ago, Goosey said:

They are progressive. They support Sanders because he wanted a 'political revolution'. Voting for Hillary is the exact opposite of 'political revolution'.

 

It's a small percentage...around nine per cent. Those nine per cent were always going to Trump, no matter what. Nine per cent isn't concerning, it was expected. 

[PartySick 174,387]

7 hours ago, BoysBoysBoys652 said:

Just because you lost does not mean you can go around fantasizing about me getting kicked in the face by a horse. Looks like your reaction does describe how screwed humanity is, no wonder you were voting for a loser.

Sis, it's just an expression

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12 hours ago, Miel said:

Now, it is up to Hillary to appeal to his supporters. I am probably going to vote for her, but she has created a lot of voter apathy amongst his supporters.

I respect that you feel that way, but really, the democratic party was much more unified BEFORE Senator Sanders came along. I know many people who were happy with Hillary, until BERNIE created the voter apathy against her! She didn't even attack Senator Sanders when it would have been immensely easy to do so. She ran the cleanest campaign we've seen this election cycle, besides perhaps that of John Kasich. Even though he's republican, I admire his ability to run a pretty damn clean campaign on the issues.

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2 hours ago, PartySick said:

Sis, it's just an expression

Go home little girl.