Fergie - M.I.L.F. $ (ft. Kim K)

[Swan Heart 7,382]

Ok, I've grown to love this actually.

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21 hours ago, Steve Nasty said:

 

Hmm I think the problem is I’m using the word empowerment incorrectly. Forget that. I suppose I can’t think of a better word to describe what I mean than simply “feeling good”. That’s what I’m talking about. When you look good, you feel good. And when you look good naked, you feel even better. I’m not viewing sexualization as a rebellion or some sort of statement.

I think a lot of people use it incorrectly. And also think it means the same as "feeling good." Wikipedia's page on the word really sets things straight. Basically, doing something sexual can be satisfying and fun. But that's not the same thing as power. You can get satisfying, fun feelings from doing a lot of things, but why is it when it comes to sexual expression do we start speaking about it being empowering? Where does the power part come in? We simply don't use the word, correctly. Showing intelligence, solving a problem, bringing about change, that kind of stuff gives you power, hence empowerment. But dressing provocatively? Having sex? Where does the power come into that? These things can give you what feels like power, but it's fake power. Because if you take away these things, you lose your power. That's why a beautiful woman who only has beauty only has "power" for so long. Once she gets older and starts losing her beauty, her power will end. But a woman with great personality will never lose that, so any power she has is for life.

You’re absolutely right, but then I say what’s wrong with wanting those happy feelings? As long as it’s your decision to be naked or sexual, the only problem with this I see is that women are consequently reduced to merely sex objects. But perhaps we can even the playing field by sexualizing men too?

There's nothing wrong with wanting these happy feelings, so long as you admit that that's all they are, don't call them empowerment. But sexualisation is never a good thing, I'll explain why further down.

But why can’t women be powerful when naked? What is the root cause of them feeling vulnerable where as men tend to be comfortable with their bodies, etc? I think this is an entirely other issue to tackle but I don’t think it should be just accepted as fact. Wouldn’t it be great for women to feel equally as powerful when naked?

Well, it should be obvious why. That root cause is the genitalia issue. Men's organs are designed in such a way as they're dominating and can cause harm if used incorrectly whereas women's are extremely sensitive and aren't designed to be dominating. Even consensual sex can be hurtful at times because it's an unfortunate design flaw. So, even if both genders are naked, the man will always be more powerful. This is why women are deeply affected if we encounter a flasher or explicit comments are shouted at us. It makes us think of what a man is capable of doing to us. This is why putting a naked woman into a room of fully-clothed men simply isn't done (unless it's a p*rn shoot, which is problematic in itself). Women generally find the idea of being naked while men are clothed to be very frightening and for good reason. It is impossible for women to feel equally as powerful as men when naked. Our design simply doesn't allow for that to happen. When people are clothed, they hold superiority over unclothed people. This goes way back into history, when the master was clothed and the slave was naked and explorers happened upon tribes who were naked and therefore considered uncivilised. Being clothed or naked still sends a powerful message today because of that history. We think unclothed = uncivilised, lesser, not equal. Which is why we would stare at a naked person in the street and feel different to them, because being naked in public isn't how our society works. The people with clothes on are the ones with power, unclothed people are to be sexualised or mocked. That is how we operate and it'll take literally millions of years to undo that way of thinking and we'll be dead in millions of years, so why even try changing it?

That’s debatable. If I’m fully clothed with thin material I’m still vulnerable. I feel like that’s irrelevant. I don’t agree that everyone should feel vulnerable without clothes. But maybe I’m delving now into nudist philosophy 

Yes, you're still vulnerable, but you are more protected against the outside world, literally and metaphorically. Nudism is a different matter. While I wouldn't do it, it is a philosophy that is commendable. Nudists are all equal and true nudists don't sexualise the nudity. They have sex, of course, but that's the only time the nudity becomes sexual. If there's any perverts, they're not being a true nudist. And when they go to private beaches or specialised retreats, everyone's equal, so that's good. But nudism is completely different from the rest of non-nudist society. It's a small group for the reasons explained above.

Absolutely, but is the issue with the “sexing up” itself or the double standard? I’m personally offended by the double standard. If the men in those positions were also “sexed up” I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

Both. No one should have to be sexed up if their job isn't looks-based. The feminist, Laura Bates, did an interview with photos for a newspaper about how women get mistreated in society and she said that the photographer was told to be make her look as sexy as possible. The same guy was sent back to her house to take some extra photos of her because the editor thought she was so good looking that more pictures than words in the article would please the male readers. The irony is off the scale here. If the same thing happened to men, it would be more equal, but it would still be not right. Look, I'm into men as much as the next girl, but that doesn't mean I want to see men reduced to underwear models if they just want to read me the news or give a speech. If sexuality is not needed, leave it out.

Well, not the only way. I think it’s important for women to acknowledge that their value doesn’t DEPEND on their sexualization. I absolutely want young women to feel valuable and powerful, without feeling like they MUST be sexual. But I also think it would be positive to further the sexualization of men, at the same time.

This is the bit about sexualisation I was coming to. Again, this is a word you seem to have misunderstood. The definition of sexualisation is a type of sexuality that is exploitative and damaging. This is sometimes connected to the word "hypersexualisation" meaning over-sexualised. Sexualisation is when someone has a type of sexuality foisted onto them, they don't choose it for themselves. They don't even need to be remotely sexual to be sexualised. This is a de-humanising thing that women have had to put up with since the dawn of time and I don't want men to go through it either. Sexual expression is fine (within reason), sexualisation is not.

I am also fully supportive of men. Why can’t a person (man or woman) be sexualized and also retain their integrity, personality, and achievements? My thinking is, if more men were sexualized, the mindset of reducing a naked person to an object would start to become undone.

As I said above, when you're sexualised, you lose your integrity, personality and achievements, for then you have become nothing but a sex object. An object to be used and abused for sex, nothing more. A man or woman can be sexual but still maintain these things (again, as long as its their decision and is within reason), but not when they're sexualised. I show sexuality through low cut tops, knee hit boots, heels, figure-hugging clothes and general mannerisms and discussions about sex in the right company (and I did some pole dancing back in the day too, artistic stuff!). I make sure that I display intelligence, wit and personality throughout everything I do so that people realise there's a worthwhile person behind the sexuality and I'm worth more than my looks. Anything more explicit is kept private and only those who I trust are allowed to see more intimate parts of me. That is how you can be sexual but maintain the rest of your humanity and be respected. It doesn't matter if we were all naked, sexualisation doesn't end as long as we keep on being turned on by it from both sides. And sexualisation doesn't win anyone any respect.

It probably would. But at this point I don’t think it’s best to try and reverse the sexualization of women, but instead bring men up to an even playing field.

Well, I hope after reading through all this, you now disagree with that statement. Trust me, being sexualised is not a pleasant experience. Even if you don't realise it at the time, it comes back to haunt you later.

20 hours ago, BrianxRyan said:

See there you go again. You just pick and choose with everything. That does not make you feminist. You are just bias towards everything a woman does and how a woman should act or do. You just proved it in your post. You are not a feminist. You are just not. You can't just pick and choose to do that... there's nothing wrong with that you have your views and that's cool. You are bias towards females. Just my personal opinion.

Actually, with something like feminism you can pick and choose. That's what a lot of them are doing now. There's no law that says I can support sexuality to an extent, but not too much. As women, we'll define feminism and there is no rule book. I am not biased towards everything a woman says or does, I'm just criticising one instance. How dare you think you have the right to decide if a woman is a feminist or not. I didn't study it for 12 years to be called anything different, especially by a man.

14 hours ago, Psychedelic said:

Looooove the video, the song is meh

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Oh, this person again...   not going there, thank you so much... I will let you guys beat that dead horse! 

 

Oh, isn't that cute, you thought I wouldn't notice this! If you want to say something mean, do it in private. Don't post it publicly. I always find out. A little spoiler tag cannot defeat me! Maybe after this you'll realise that the whole point of spoiler tags is to...click on them!

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34 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Actually, with something like feminism you can pick and choose. That's what a lot of them are doing now. There's no law that says I can support sexuality to an extent, but not too much. As women, we'll define feminism and there is no rule book. I am not biased towards everything a woman says or does, I'm just criticising one instance. How dare you think you have the right to decide if a woman is a feminist or not. I didn't study it for 12 years to be called anything different, especially by a man.

A man can be a better feminist than a woman. lol you can have this I still don't think you're a feminist I don't think you're any different from women and men who say she's a ***** and she should be taking care of her kids while her man does whatever he pleases but as Fergie would say please don't get offended

"...
Hating-ass hoes, but I don't give a ****
Running amok, owning the spot....I want it, I need it, I got it for real
I love it, real woman
I'll feed you this meal
Hey mama, I did it, the top of the hill
Been a minute, don't forget it, mother****er I'm ill"

 

[Brian Ryan 1,468]

1 hour ago, Swan Heart said:

Ok, I've grown to love this actually.

There you go. M.I.L.F$ 142 plays and counting... it's coming for Work as my favorite song of the year thus far. Fergie got me feeling I'm 13/14 all over again but even better at 24. My crossfit was playing My Humps, Fergalicious, and all the classics...

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13 minutes ago, BrianxRyan said:

A man can be a better feminist than a woman. lol you can have this I still don't think you're a feminist I don't think you're any different from women and men who say she's a ***** and she should be taking care of her kids while her man does whatever he pleases but as Fergie would say please don't get offended

"...
Hating-ass hoes, but I don't give a ****
Running amok, owning the spot....I want it, I need it, I got it for real
I love it, real woman
I'll feed you this meal
Hey mama, I did it, the top of the hill
Been a minute, don't forget it, mother****er I'm ill"

 

Yes, a man can be a better feminist than a woman but you're not doing a very good job right now. A lot of men who take up a feminist stance tend to fall into the trap of only supporting the highly sexed feminists and won't entertain any other point of view. I wonder why that is? Is it because men are raised to see women being overtly sexual is normal and think it's weird if she doesn't and that it's the only and best way to be? Us women have been fighting so hard to be seen as people with our own worth without our sexuality coming into it and then you get videos like this, that undo all the hard work and just get women to adhere to the most submissive, man-pleasing stereotypes that don't keep women under the thumb of society. Nowhere did I call anyone in this video a w***e or that they should be taking care of their kids. I just don't think their way of displaying sexuality is appealing or progressive, it's just degrading and such an out-dated view of women (bet I blew your mind with that last bit!) It never ceases to amaze me how so many people see videos like this and claim that it's something new and is sticking two fingers up to society. It does it opposite. Sexualisation of women in videos has been done for decades and it's conforming to the norm, there's no rebellion at all. Answer me this - if all this overt sexualisation empowers women, how come society is still so sexist? How come nothing's truly changed? How come women still struggle to be respected and taken seriously? It's because too many women allow themselves to be sexualised and sexualisation doesn't breed respect in others. Kim Kardashian, for example, is disrespected by many because of how she got famous. If women want to be respected, like men, they've got to earn it by showing talent and intelligence, not taking their clothes off and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

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1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yes, a man can be a better feminist than a woman but you're not doing a very good job right now. A lot of men who take up a feminist stance tend to fall into the trap of only supporting the highly sexed feminists and won't entertain any other point of view. I wonder why that is? Is it because men are raised to see women being overtly sexual is normal and think it's weird if she doesn't and that it's the only and best way to be? Us women have been fighting so hard to be seen as people with our own worth without our sexuality coming into it and then you get videos like this, that undo all the hard work and just get women to adhere to the most submissive, man-pleasing stereotypes that don't keep women under the thumb of society. Nowhere did I call anyone in this video a w***e or that they should be taking care of their kids. I just don't think their way of displaying sexuality is appealing or progressive, it's just degrading and such an out-dated view of women (bet I blew your mind with that last bit!) It never ceases to amaze me how so many people see videos like this and claim that it's something new and is sticking two fingers up to society. It does it opposite. Sexualisation of women in videos has been done for decades and it's conforming to the norm, there's no rebellion at all. Answer me this - if all this overt sexualisation empowers women, how come society is still so sexist? How come nothing's truly changed? How come women still struggle to be respected and taken seriously? It's because too many women allow themselves to be sexualised and sexualisation doesn't breed respect in others. Kim Kardashian, for example, is disrespected by many because of how she got famous. If women want to be respected, like men, they've got to earn it by showing talent and intelligence, not taking their clothes off and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

I'm doing a hella good job as male feminist. It's not the 1960s. You seem to be forgetting you are on a forum full of gay man we know what the hell you are talking about and top of that I'm black I know the struggle. Kim Kardashian is an entrepreneur and there's nothing wrong with taking your clothes off. She does much more than that and that's why she's a millionaire. It does not make her less of a woman or person for doing so, there is nothing wrong with taking off your clothes. Maybe you're just not comfortable in your own skin. You're not helping the problem, you are only c o n t i n u i n g to add to the problem.

 

 

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4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yes, a man can be a better feminist than a woman but you're not doing a very good job right now. A lot of men who take up a feminist stance tend to fall into the trap of only supporting the highly sexed feminists and won't entertain any other point of view. I wonder why that is? Is it because men are raised to see women being overtly sexual is normal and think it's weird if she doesn't and that it's the only and best way to be? Us women have been fighting so hard to be seen as people with our own worth without our sexuality coming into it and then you get videos like this, that undo all the hard work and just get women to adhere to the most submissive, man-pleasing stereotypes that don't keep women under the thumb of society. Nowhere did I call anyone in this video a w***e or that they should be taking care of their kids. I just don't think their way of displaying sexuality is appealing or progressive, it's just degrading and such an out-dated view of women (bet I blew your mind with that last bit!) It never ceases to amaze me how so many people see videos like this and claim that it's something new and is sticking two fingers up to society. It does it opposite. Sexualisation of women in videos has been done for decades and it's conforming to the norm, there's no rebellion at all. Answer me this - if all this overt sexualisation empowers women, how come society is still so sexist? How come nothing's truly changed? How come women still struggle to be respected and taken seriously? It's because too many women allow themselves to be sexualised and sexualisation doesn't breed respect in others. Kim Kardashian, for example, is disrespected by many because of how she got famous. If women want to be respected, like men, they've got to earn it by showing talent and intelligence, not taking their clothes off and appealing to the lowest common denominator.

What is overtly sexual? What do you consider overtly sexual when it comes to men vs women? 

Bieber was just photographed water skiing in white underwear. Exposing every inch of him. Many men have appeared in their videos wearing a lot less than any of the women were wearing in this video.  So what's your definition of overtly sexual? Is it the fact that it's ok for men to express their sexuality as long as it is a dominating and masculine sexuality but any other sexuality can't be shown. There is plenty of videos with men in bathtubs, men licking their lips, men dancing grabbing their crotch or simply just grabbing their crotch. Why is it that if a woman shows femine submissive sexuality it becomes such an issue for people? Yet if Madonna or Lady Gaga shows sexuality of a more dominating or aggressive nature ( more masculine) then it's ok. It seems like a double standard. And God forbid a man shows a sexual side that is anything less than masculine whether he be gay or straight. That would be the end of his career. 

[Joshie 757]

So the first time I heard it the other day how I posted it murdered my ears etc.

 

I take it back. I actually love it now LOL

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Basic.

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Queen 

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Still slaying the top 10 and getting green updates in the UK,Canada,Australia and the US 

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5 hours ago, Britney Spears said:

Still slaying the top 10 and getting green updates in the UK,Canada,Australia and the US 

Yup it's holding quite well, the video is doing wonders for the song!

I hope she has some promo lined up, I need this to keep smashing 

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Of course the video is doing well, and it's clearly not because of the song quality.

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On 1 juillet 2016 at 11:50 PM, CrazyMonster said:

I'm bi and it's the best of both worlds, the hot female models, the hot guys, wow, too much hotness to handle!

Why did I post this? So embarrassing, I was surely in dying need of sex that day 

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Everyone involved in the making of this song/video should be thrown into the street and shot.