Anti the new ARTPOP?

[DemeLarell 931]

On 7/1/2016 at 1:03 PM, FameMonzter said:

I mean, it's not that. Work is mediocre compared to the ARTPOP singles that Gaga released, not even being delusional. Rihanna gets praised for a song without a meaning behind the song, not even to mention that you can barely hear what she is singing. When Do What U Want, a song with quite a powerful meaning got dismissed and called "try hard". Like..  

The verses in DWUW was a little try hard tbh lol. And work has meaning behind it. Listen to the lyrics again they blew me away when i heard them lol. 

On 7/1/2016 at 3:51 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

No, it's not the new AP, because AP crashed and burned and had no #1's in the US. Rihanna managed to achieve a #1 and a top 10 thus far. Her album hasn't sold as well and it's up in the air how her tour will perform. Gaga only had 2 videos for AP, Rihanna's had a video for every single thus far. She also got some other opportunities as a feature with Calvin, Drake, Kanye and of course, Star Trek, whereas Gaga was paid complete dust in her era. Anti is similar to AP in some ways, in the sense of one big hit and then failure. But she's still doing surprisingly ok in some ways.

And that annoys the hell out of me. Because Anti should have been a massive flop. It had all the makings of one. It had 3 singles before it, none of which made major waves (yes, FFS was a big top ten almost everywhere but a ton of fans hated it and it's basically forgotten about now) and they all inevitably ended up being discarded. The video for BBHMM took forever and garnered controversy. The album was taking forever to be released and the fans were kept in the dark. And that should've been the end of it, just another flop like all the singers that have come before her. But then something unbelievable happened. She released a new lead single, called Work and it took off incredibly. And I thought, ok, it's still going to flop overall, albeit with a mega hit lead single (what a cowardly way out, getting Drake to feature in the lead single, just so afraid of failure that he had to be called in). Then she announced her tour and it was stadiums, a great way of her to make more money and sales weren't bad, with not as many shows being cancelled or moved to arenas like I thought. The album was selling badly...But then Needed Me became a top ten hit in America. Then the collab with Calvin came out, which, though wasn't a hit of WFL proportions, was still a decent sized hit and the video is really taking off. Now, she's getting yet more promo with Sledgehammer and Kayne's controversial video. It's just like...what has she done to deserve this? Why does she keep getting second chances? When other singers flop, they get left out in the cold, why does she keep getting saved from failure? It's so unfair. I can't wait until the day she turns 30 and is officially deemed too old for hits and uncool by the youth market.

But at least the UK is finally starting to wane regarding its love affair with her. She hasn't had a solo #1 since Diamonds and her #1 with Eminem in 2013 is all but forgotten now. Even a Calvin collab, which would normally be UK gold, didn't edge her into #1 and Sledgehammer isn't taking off. Anti peaked at just #7, her lowest peak since Rated R and sales have been pretty bad. Sales for her UK tour have been bad with 2 stadiums cancelled, yet the remaining dates were still half-full. I'm hoping this is only the beginning of her time being up in the UK market because I've had officially enough of her. But at least she isn't over-exposed like the old days.

Oh wow such a feminist. 

[TheBatman 951]

1 hour ago, bambi96 said:

You mustn't have read the post, just the title.

I did, but maybe I missed something? Just re-read the OP and still not sure what I missed? I don't feel like ANTi is getting dragged, and I don't see any similarity to ARTPOP

[bambi96 1,555]

1 hour ago, TheBatman said:

I did, but maybe I missed something? Just re-read the OP and still not sure what I missed? I don't feel like ANTi is getting dragged, and I don't see any similarity to ARTPOP

Content wise, I'm not calling them similar; but I'm seeing Rihanna being dragged constantly in regards to her tours; similar to what happened with Gaga, during ARTPOP. Which is what this thread was about. People have stretched it into something different. But oh well, got my post 3rd on this week's top posts! 

[Manul 7,377]

I think so. Imo the only reason why Anti is more "successful" "commercially" is because of streaming. If I'm not mistaken it hasn't (or barely has) even sold 1M copies so far.

And Work, of course, streaming.

[crisTEAne 21,059]

4 hours ago, DemeLarell said:

Kidding right?? Lol

research shows that, for instance, strong female figures in powerful positions (e.g., hillary) tend to lose their feminine vibes in the public eye and, therefore, are not viewed in accordance with their gender. the same applies to the white/black dynamic in the music/entertainment industry. this is a phenomenon that is rooted in socio-cultural norms and its psychological mechanisms can be scientifically explained. so, yeah, it was a joke—a semi-joke. 

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

4 hours ago, DemeLarell said:

Oh wow such a feminist. 

Being a feminist isn't about supporting every woman regardless of who she is or what she does. When women are doing good things, I praise them. If they do bad things, I criticise them. I supported Rihanna when she got beaten up and I support her when she makes good music. But I don't support her when she's nasty and releases bad music. Men have no problem critiquing each other and aren't called out for being anti male when they do it. I want women to be on the same level as men, so maybe if we dealt with things like men do, maybe we'd be more equal? You clearly don't understand feminism as well as you claim if you think it's about women supporting all women without question. Women want to be seen as people first, women second. And as people, we should all be treated equally, hence, no one is immune to criticism.

[DemeLarell 931]

53 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Being a feminist isn't about supporting every woman regardless of who she is or what she does. When women are doing good things, I praise them. If they do bad things, I criticise them. I supported Rihanna when she got beaten up and I support her when she makes good music. But I don't support her when she's nasty and releases bad music. Men have no problem critiquing each other and aren't called out for being anti male when they do it. I want women to be on the same level as men, so maybe if we dealt with things like men do, maybe we'd be more equal? You clearly don't understand feminism as well as you claim if you think it's about women supporting all women without question. Women want to be seen as people first, women second. And as people, we should all be treated equally, hence, no one is immune to criticism.

It's not the the opinion (think before you jump to conclusions). It's not the criticism. Its just the fact that you would wish for the downfall of another woman. Yet you want to be treated as equal as men. Seems like I'm more of a feminist than you... And I'm a man 

[DemeLarell 931]

1 hour ago, T E A said:

research shows that, for instance, strong female figures in powerful positions (e.g., hillary) tend to lose their feminine vibes in the public eye and, therefore, are not viewed in accordance with their gender. the same applies to the white/black dynamic in the music/entertainment industry. this is a phenomenon that is rooted in socio-cultural norms and its psychological mechanisms can be scientifically explained. so, yeah, it was a joke—a semi-joke. 

 

Oh ok. I think i got you lol 

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

13 minutes ago, DemeLarell said:

It's not the the opinion (think before you jump to conclusions). It's not the criticism. Its just the fact that you would wish for the downfall of another woman. Yet you want to be treated as equal as men. Seems like I'm more of a feminist than you... And I'm a man 

Well, seeing as you've been critiquing my opinions previously, it does seem to be the opinion that's getting to you. Yes, I gather that wishing for the downfall of another woman seems to be anti feminist...until you take into consideration what this woman has done (mostly be a horrible person and I don't support horrible people). Plus, she's not made an above average album since Loud. People who aren't good at their jobs shouldn't keep doing them. If you can't do a good job, you get fired. I think the music industry should be no different. Can't make good music? The public don't buy it? Off you go. I don't see it as a great loss to the artistic world considering it was just conveyer belt trash churned out by a team as opposed to something that came from within an artist's soul. And I think there are plenty of men who wish for the downfall of other men. So why is it so sinful when women do it to other women? As I said before, I see women as people first and foremost. I'm judging a person, their gender is never a factor.

[DemeLarell 931]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Well, seeing as you've been critiquing my opinions previously, it does seem to be the opinion that's getting to you. Yes, I gather that wishing for the downfall of another woman seems to be anti feminist...until you take into consideration what this woman has done (mostly be a horrible person and I don't support horrible people). Plus, she's not made an above average album since Loud. People who aren't good at their jobs shouldn't keep doing them. If you can't do a good job, you get fired. I think the music industry should be no different. Can't make good music? The public don't buy it? Off you go. I don't see it as a great loss to the artistic world considering it was just conveyer belt trash churned out by a team as opposed to something that came from within an artist's soul. And I think there are plenty of men who wish for the downfall of other men. So why is it so sinful when women do it to other women? As I said before, I see women as people first and foremost. I'm judging a person, their gender is never a factor.

At the end of the day you title yourself a feminist but you don't fit the description or definition. At this point you are a joke. You can have your opinion but the fact that you wish the downfall of not only a human but a female is just wrong. You are a huge contradiction of yourself. I'm just going to leave you with your illogical posts in whatever disillusion of a world you live in. I tried to be nice but you are so prideful for an ignorant person. No shade. You just seem so insecure and sensitive which is blinding you from being sensible. Say what you have to say, because I'm pretty sure you want the last word. I'll like your message to let you know I acknowledge what you said, but I will not reply because I rather have an intelligent conversation with someone who knows how to articulate what they want to say without being so defensive and petty all the time. Bye hun. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

20 hours ago, DemeLarell said:

At the end of the day you title yourself a feminist but you don't fit the description or definition. At this point you are a joke. You can have your opinion but the fact that you wish the downfall of not only a human but a female is just wrong. You are a huge contradiction of yourself. I'm just going to leave you with your illogical posts in whatever disillusion of a world you live in. I tried to be nice but you are so prideful for an ignorant person. No shade. You just seem so insecure and sensitive which is blinding you from being sensible. Say what you have to say, because I'm pretty sure you want the last word. I'll like your message to let you know I acknowledge what you said, but I will not reply because I rather have an intelligent conversation with someone who knows how to articulate what they want to say without being so defensive and petty all the time. Bye hun. 

I understand that I probably won't change your opinion of me now but I will say this: you have only seen a small part of me. You haven't discovered the vast depths that my feminism has to offer and the research, statistics and insight I can offer. You're just seeing my response to one topic and judging me completely on that. I haven't studied feminism all these years for nothing. I do base things on logic and am always very fair. In my experience, just praising women doesn't get us anywhere. We need to realise where problems are and fix them and there's a fair few going on in feminism and only when these problems are fixed will we be close to true equality. If a man can put other men down without comment, I don't feel bad about putting women down (but please note I only do this if they've done something worthy of hate, I never do it out of jealousy or spite). Humans naturally judge and we should be allowed to do it without being made to feel like we're being unjustly horrible. Especially in the realm of judging music for pete's sake. Men put down male singers all the time and wish the downfall of their careers all the time and they don't get s**t on for it. I just want women to be able to do the same things men do without always being worried if she's going to be branded anti-female or a bitch. Because that's usually what happens around here when I state my opinion and I'm sick of it. Making women always be anxious of how they'll come across is already something that plagues us, let's not make it worse. Jennifer Lawrence once said: "I’m over trying to find the ‘adorable’ way to state my opinion and still be likable! F**k that. I don’t think I’ve ever worked for a man in charge who spent time contemplating what angle he should use to have his voice heard. It’s just heard.” Truer words were never spoken.

[Higher 2,406]

On July 1, 2016 at 0:51 PM, StrawberryBlond said:

No, it's not the new AP, because AP crashed and burned and had no #1's in the US. Rihanna managed to achieve a #1 and a top 10 thus far. Her album hasn't sold as well and it's up in the air how her tour will perform. Gaga only had 2 videos for AP, Rihanna's had a video for every single thus far. She also got some other opportunities as a feature with Calvin, Drake, Kanye and of course, Star Trek, whereas Gaga was paid complete dust in her era. Anti is similar to AP in some ways, in the sense of one big hit and then failure. But she's still doing surprisingly ok in some ways.

And that annoys the hell out of me. Because Anti should have been a massive flop. It had all the makings of one. It had 3 singles before it, none of which made major waves (yes, FFS was a big top ten almost everywhere but a ton of fans hated it and it's basically forgotten about now) and they all inevitably ended up being discarded. The video for BBHMM took forever and garnered controversy. The album was taking forever to be released and the fans were kept in the dark. And that should've been the end of it, just another flop like all the singers that have come before her. But then something unbelievable happened. She released a new lead single, called Work and it took off incredibly. And I thought, ok, it's still going to flop overall, albeit with a mega hit lead single (what a cowardly way out, getting Drake to feature in the lead single, just so afraid of failure that he had to be called in). Then she announced her tour and it was stadiums, a great way of her to make more money and sales weren't bad, with not as many shows being cancelled or moved to arenas like I thought. The album was selling badly...But then Needed Me became a top ten hit in America. Then the collab with Calvin came out, which, though wasn't a hit of WFL proportions, was still a decent sized hit and the video is really taking off. Now, she's getting yet more promo with Sledgehammer and Kayne's controversial video. It's just like...what has she done to deserve this? Why does she keep getting second chances? When other singers flop, they get left out in the cold, why does she keep getting saved from failure? It's so unfair. I can't wait until the day she turns 30 and is officially deemed too old for hits and uncool by the youth market.

But at least the UK is finally starting to wane regarding its love affair with her. She hasn't had a solo #1 since Diamonds and her #1 with Eminem in 2013 is all but forgotten now. Even a Calvin collab, which would normally be UK gold, didn't edge her into #1 and Sledgehammer isn't taking off. Anti peaked at just #7, her lowest peak since Rated R and sales have been pretty bad. Sales for her UK tour have been bad with 2 stadiums cancelled, yet the remaining dates were still half-full. I'm hoping this is only the beginning of her time being up in the UK market because I've had officially enough of her. But at least she isn't over-exposed like the old days.

Looks like someone's still obsessed.

 

[DemeLarell 931]

12 minutes ago, Higher said:

Looks like someone's still obsessed.

 

Don't shade her.... She's been studying feminism since she was 13 

[Higher 2,406]

9 minutes ago, DemeLarell said:

Don't shade her.... She's been studying feminism since she was 13 

Oh I forgot.  Did you know she works for the industry and knows everything about artists she doesn't like and loves writing essays about them in most of their threads on here.

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

32 minutes ago, Higher said:

Looks like someone's still obsessed.

 

 

18 minutes ago, DemeLarell said:

Don't shade her.... She's been studying feminism since she was 13 

 

9 minutes ago, Higher said:

Oh I forgot.  Did you know she works for the industry and knows everything about artists she doesn't like and loves writing essays about them in most of their threads on here.

 

Hmm, real feminist, talking s**t about a woman, in public, right in front of her, talking about her as if she's not here. Now, see, that's a kind of bitchiness I could never get behind. Oh, and by the way, I never denied being obsessed. I review music and follow celebrity culture to the letter. It's just what I do. Just like a lot of people here. I don't see what's so worhy of mocking.

By the way, it's funny how 2 fans of a Rihanna (a woman who loves to speak her mind and loves to consider herself a bad ass bitch) are so dismissive of a woman who speaks her mind. I see you can only be a bad ass bitch if people agree with you.