Anti the new ARTPOP?

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

3 hours ago, FameMonzter said:

I mean, it's not that. Work is mediocre compared to the ARTPOP singles that Gaga released, not even being delusional. Rihanna gets praised for a song without a meaning behind the song, not even to mention that you can barely hear what she is singing. When Do What U Want, a song with quite a powerful meaning got dismissed and called "try hard". Like..  

It's true. They only bash Gaga because she's Gaga. That's how I know Gaga is the greatest thing in music today.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

2 hours ago, SecretWeapon said:

Umbrella ella ella eh eh eh (2007)

Shut up and drive drive drive drive (2007)

Repetition is a common technique to make songs catchy. Im just stating that despite her artsy fartsy attempts Gags isnt above going cheap to make her songs catchy

You're taking about repetition, which is what Rihanna employs. 

I'm talking about alliteration, rhyme and staccato and other sonic devices that Gaga incorporates when she writes songs. 

No offence but calling anything artsy fartsy only makes you sound pretentious boo. Just say art. It's not a terrible word.

[bionic 49,234]

11 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Stop comparing Gaga to Rihanna. They're two different artists.

Compare Anti to Rated R, which to me is Rihanna's best album.

What? I was literally quoting a post by you that was comparing Rihanna and Gaga, in a thread comparing ANTi and ARTPOP.  

[miju 375]

29 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, it's not the new AP, because AP crashed and burned and had no #1's in the US. Rihanna managed to achieve a #1 and a top 10 thus far. Her album hasn't sold as well and it's up in the air how her tour will perform. Gaga only had 2 videos for AP, Rihanna's had a video for every single thus far. She also got some other opportunities as a feature with Calvin, Drake, Kanye and of course, Star Trek, whereas Gaga was paid complete dust in her era. Anti is similar to AP in some ways, in the sense of one big hit and then failure. But she's still doing surprisingly ok in some ways.

And that annoys the hell out of me. Because Anti should have been a massive flop. It had all the makings of one. It had 3 singles before it, none of which made major waves (yes, FFS was a big top ten almost everywhere but a ton of fans hated it and it's basically forgotten about now) and they all inevitably ended up being discarded. The video for BBHMM took forever and garnered controversy. The album was taking forever to be released and the fans were kept in the dark. And that should've been the end of it, just another flop like all the singers that have come before her. But then something unbelievable happened. She released a new lead single, called Work and it took off incredibly. And I thought, ok, it's still going to flop overall, albeit with a mega hit lead single (what a cowardly way out, getting Drake to feature in the lead single, just so afraid of failure that he had to be called in). Then she announced her tour and it was stadiums, a great way of her to make more money and sales weren't bad, with not as many shows being cancelled or moved to arenas like I thought. The album was selling badly...But then Needed Me became a top ten hit in America. Then the collab with Calvin came out, which, though wasn't a hit of WFL proportions, was still a decent sized hit and the video is really taking off. Now, she's getting yet more promo with Sledgehammer and Kayne's controversial video. It's just like...what has she done to deserve this? Why does she keep getting second chances? When other singers flop, they get left out in the cold, why does she keep getting saved from failure? It's so unfair. I can't wait until the day she turns 30 and is officially deemed too old for hits and uncool by the youth market.

But at least the UK is finally starting to wane regarding its love affair with her. She hasn't had a solo #1 since Diamonds and her #1 with Eminem in 2013 is all but forgotten now. Even a Calvin collab, which would normally be UK gold, didn't edge her into #1 and Sledgehammer isn't taking off. Anti peaked at just #7, her lowest peak since Rated R and sales have been pretty bad. Sales for her UK tour have been bad with 2 stadiums cancelled, yet the remaining dates were still half-full. I'm hoping this is only the beginning of her time being up in the UK market because I've had officially enough of her. But at least she isn't over-exposed like the old days.

Why do you purposely want to see Rihanna fail?.. Because it's unfair that she has maintained relevance?

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

Just now, miju said:

Why do you purposely want to see Rihanna fail?.. Because it's unfair that she has maintained relevance?

1. Because her success is almost completely down to major help. The majority of her material is written for her (don't let her recent mounting credits fool you, she's yet to be completely in the driver's seat when it comes to songs). You can get a credit for changing one word these days. All her biggest hits are the ones she didn't play a role in.

2. She's such a lazy artist who just doesn't want to promote herself (her annual appearance on X Factor used to be her sole UK promo until very recently because she hasn't been making new music), yet she get hits whereas most artists have to work their ass off promoting to get anywhere (and even then, most don't).

3. She's a horrible person with a bad attitude. And I don't like to see such people get success.

If she truly failed, it could deservedly knock her down a peg or two, perhaps make her more humbled, nicer, willing to try harder. But she's caught up in too safe a world, the sheltered side of the industry. I don't like it when such people can go on doing well when much more talented, harder working, nicer ones struggle. The sooner "artists" like Rihanna leave the industry, the better.

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

31 minutes ago, bionic said:

What? I was literally quoting a post by you that was comparing Rihanna and Gaga, in a thread comparing ANTi and ARTPOP.  

Just so you known there is a difference between COMPARING and CONTRASTING two bodies of work. I was contrasting the two. Comparing two works of art by two separate artists is a sport.

[SamJ 8,008]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, it's not the new AP, because AP crashed and burned and had no #1's in the US. Rihanna managed to achieve a #1 and a top 10 thus far. Her album hasn't sold as well and it's up in the air how her tour will perform. Gaga only had 2 videos for AP, Rihanna's had a video for every single thus far. She also got some other opportunities as a feature with Calvin, Drake, Kanye and of course, Star Trek, whereas Gaga was paid complete dust in her era. Anti is similar to AP in some ways, in the sense of one big hit and then failure. But she's still doing surprisingly ok in some ways.

And that annoys the hell out of me. Because Anti should have been a massive flop. It had all the makings of one. It had 3 singles before it, none of which made major waves (yes, FFS was a big top ten almost everywhere but a ton of fans hated it and it's basically forgotten about now) and they all inevitably ended up being discarded. The video for BBHMM took forever and garnered controversy. The album was taking forever to be released and the fans were kept in the dark. And that should've been the end of it, just another flop like all the singers that have come before her. But then something unbelievable happened. She released a new lead single, called Work and it took off incredibly. And I thought, ok, it's still going to flop overall, albeit with a mega hit lead single (what a cowardly way out, getting Drake to feature in the lead single, just so afraid of failure that he had to be called in). Then she announced her tour and it was stadiums, a great way of her to make more money and sales weren't bad, with not as many shows being cancelled or moved to arenas like I thought. The album was selling badly...But then Needed Me became a top ten hit in America. Then the collab with Calvin came out, which, though wasn't a hit of WFL proportions, was still a decent sized hit and the video is really taking off. Now, she's getting yet more promo with Sledgehammer and Kayne's controversial video. It's just like...what has she done to deserve this? Why does she keep getting second chances? When other singers flop, they get left out in the cold, why does she keep getting saved from failure? It's so unfair. I can't wait until the day she turns 30 and is officially deemed too old for hits and uncool by the youth market.

But at least the UK is finally starting to wane regarding its love affair with her. She hasn't had a solo #1 since Diamonds and her #1 with Eminem in 2013 is all but forgotten now. Even a Calvin collab, which would normally be UK gold, didn't edge her into #1 and Sledgehammer isn't taking off. Anti peaked at just #7, her lowest peak since Rated R and sales have been pretty bad. Sales for her UK tour have been bad with 2 stadiums cancelled, yet the remaining dates were still half-full. I'm hoping this is only the beginning of her time being up in the UK market because I've had officially enough of her. But at least she isn't over-exposed like the old days.

Work is massive here. Ffs is still on the radio i heard it yesterday on heart fm. Bbhmm was in our charts for months. This is what you came for is becoming massive here now too, the people know it as Rihanna's song and Rihanna is the main feature in the video which already has 100 mil views. Too good is also massive here. Rihanna is 2016's biggest star in England I have no idea what ur talking about she hasn't been bigger ever.

[SamJ 8,008]

23 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

1. Because her success is almost completely down to major help. The majority of her material is written for her (don't let her recent mounting credits fool you, she's yet to be completely in the driver's seat when it comes to songs). You can get a credit for changing one word these days. All her biggest hits are the ones she didn't play a role in.

2. She's such a lazy artist who just doesn't want to promote herself (her annual appearance on X Factor used to be her sole UK promo until very recently because she hasn't been making new music), yet she get hits whereas most artists have to work their ass off promoting to get anywhere (and even then, most don't).

3. She's a horrible person with a bad attitude. And I don't like to see such people get success.

If she truly failed, it could deservedly knock her down a peg or two, perhaps make her more humbled, nicer, willing to try harder. But she's caught up in too safe a world, the sheltered side of the industry. I don't like it when such people can go on doing well when much more talented, harder working, nicer ones struggle. The sooner "artists" like Rihanna leave the industry, the better.

she isn't lazy. She is a pop star i love her music the radio loves her music. She loves music that's why she has done so much music over 11 years in the spotlight. There's nothing lazy about recording 9 albums in 11 years. People dont care about who writes the music its pop just enjoy it.

[bionic 49,234]

11 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Just so you known there is a difference between COMPARING and CONTRASTING two bodies of work. I was contrasting the two. Comparing two works of art by two separate artists is a sport.

You were accusing Rihanna of copying Gaga.

[miju 375]

54 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

1. Because her success is almost completely down to major help. The majority of her material is written for her (don't let her recent mounting credits fool you, she's yet to be completely in the driver's seat when it comes to songs). You can get a credit for changing one word these days. All her biggest hits are the ones she didn't play a role in.

2. She's such a lazy artist who just doesn't want to promote herself (her annual appearance on X Factor used to be her sole UK promo until very recently because she hasn't been making new music), yet she get hits whereas most artists have to work their ass off promoting to get anywhere (and even then, most don't).

3. She's a horrible person with a bad attitude. And I don't like to see such people get success.

If she truly failed, it could deservedly knock her down a peg or two, perhaps make her more humbled, nicer, willing to try harder. But she's caught up in too safe a world, the sheltered side of the industry. I don't like it when such people can go on doing well when much more talented, harder working, nicer ones struggle. The sooner "artists" like Rihanna leave the industry, the better.

I understand your first point, I personally wouldn't criticize how involved she is in her music because I prefer not to criticize something that I don't know about completely but I know everyone bashes her involvement anyway. I think it'd be great to see artists who are more involved with their music be very popular. However I don't wish to see her fail because of that.

How could you say that she's a "horrible person"? Like I'm sure you could pull up a few rude tweets where she's argued with people before but to say that she's a horrible person and she deserves to fail and have her popularity decline? 

And she doesn't have to do as much promotion as the next girl but why hate on her for it? "I hope she fails" because other artists have a tougher time getting their success than her? She's not harming anyone else by successfully selling what people are enjoying

[HelloBarbara 1,518]

Both ARTPOP and ANTI are in my top 10 fav albums. They are misunderstood masterpieces and receive a lot of hate they don't deserve ❤

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

26 minutes ago, bionic said:

You were accusing Rihanna of copying Gaga.

I was replying to a different guys post about Work using repetition. Rihanna is not a songwriter so she couldn't have copied Gaga. 

[Katsuki Bakugo 9,788]

9 hours ago, SecretWeapon said:

Well, ARTPOP wasnt any more artistic than a katy album and it was popular, so by that logic it should be called something else too

Its funny because the iconic Gaga song (Pokerface) kinda relies on the same trick (Popopopopopopopo pokerface muh muh muh muh)

At least you are with me on this one! 

[JevyDuty 2,961]

23 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

Rihanna is not a songwriter so she couldn't have copied Gaga. 

The shade 

Rihanna seems to be progressing so slowly as far as her involvement with her music is concerned. It is upsetting to see her just sing and play pretty while the behind the scene team do the heavy lifting.

I demand more from an artist who makes as much money as she does.

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

42 minutes ago, UK Monster said:

Work is massive here. Ffs is still on the radio i heard it yesterday on heart fm. Bbhmm was in our charts for months. This is what you came for is becoming massive here now too, the people know it as Rihanna's song and Rihanna is the main feature in the video which already has 100 mil views. Too good is also massive here. Rihanna is 2016's biggest star in England I have no idea what ur talking about she hasn't been bigger ever.

But it isn't a #1. FFS didn't go to the top either and is one of her lowest selling "lead" singles. BBHMM wasn't in the charts "for months" in a "sold lots" kinda way. It barely hit top 30. TIWYCF is indeed quite a consistent top 5 hit, but it's because it's generic and it's a Calvin assisted track (he always gets a big lead single because of name recognition). Too Good, again, benefits from being a Drake song, who is big right now (it's him who's selling it, not her, pretty much like Work). Rihanna is NOT 2016's biggest star. Her album peaked at #7 here and has sales of little over 100k to date. Her tour had to get 2 stadium dates cancelled and the remaining ones were half full. The biggest stars of the UK of 2016 are Drake, Beyonce, Justin Bieber and Adele. The proof is in the #1 singles and albums, the touring attendance and grosses. I don't know what you're talking about when you say Rihanna is bigger than all of them.

40 minutes ago, UK Monster said:

she isn't lazy. She is a pop star i love her music the radio loves her music. She loves music that's why she has done so much music over 11 years in the spotlight. There's nothing lazy about recording 9 albums in 11 years. People dont care about who writes the music its pop just enjoy it.

So, why does being a popstar, you loving her music, the radio loving her music and her loving music make her not lazy? What has that got to do with anything? There is something lazy about recording 9 albums in 11 years when you only wrote a small portion of the songs on those albums (on GGGB and Loud she didn't write any of them). All she has to do is remember the lyrics and that's it. I care who writes music, particularly when the artist in question gets credit for "their" creation. And who's to say pop music can't have talent in it? What about Gaga who sings, writes and produces all on her own? Sorry, I'm not a mindless sheep who just bops along to mindless pop music just because it's meant to be fun. I find no fun in mediocrity.

11 minutes ago, miju said:

I understand your first point, I personally wouldn't criticize how involved she is in her music because I prefer not to criticize something that I don't know about completely but I know everyone bashes her involvement anyway. I think it'd be great to see artists who are more involved with their music be very popular. However I don't wish to see her fail because of that.

How could you say that she's a "horrible person"? Like I'm sure you could pull up a few rude tweets where she's argued with people before but to say that she's a horrible person and she deserves to fail and have her popularity decline? 

And she doesn't have to do as much promotion as the next girl but why hate on her for it? "I hope she fails" because other artists have a tougher time getting their success than her? She's not harming anyone else by successfully selling what people are enjoying

We do know about Rihanna's involvement completely. We know that she just adds a line or two and that's all it takes to qualify her as a songwriter. Insiders have confirmed this. I saw it all in a rundown of what it takes to make a hit song. I don't even need to see the proof. It's obvious she has very little songwriting ability.
Singers who actually write can go into extensive detail about their songwriting and what their art represents and Rihanna cannot do that.

I can pull up a lot more than a few rude tweets here and there. She's flatout insulted her fans on more than one occasion. She said a girl on Twitter looked like a goat after she critisied her rekindling relationship with Chris. She just went after a random fan on Twitter who had copied one of her looks for her prom and basically told the girl she looked ridiculous. She hit a fan's hand with her mic when they grabbed at her on tour, despite her bodyguards being right behind her. And if this video proves anything it's that she views herself a superior to her band and can't admit to her own mistakes:

She used to be a sweet girl once but after GGGB, she went downhill, letting her ego take over and became a really stuck-up bitch. She reminds me of the girls who used to bully me in school. Celebrities who can't respect the team around them who make them sound good and the fans who give them fame and success...I have no time for them.

I hate on her for not needing promotion because, like I said, you have to work hard for your success. It's not given to you on a plate, you have to earn it. I don't like how name recognition alone can sell a song, no matter how terrible. The public keep falling for this, which is why terrible music goes on being made, because those with the power don't feel like they have to try. As a music reviewer and all round music lover, I want to see good music succeed, thank you. And I think her releasing music that goes on to be hits does harm people when they have to put up with her crappy songs and whiney voice on the radio. Yeah, we can just change the channel, but when someone's famous, they're on every channel!