I am tired. Gaga, why?

[Alphaz 7,956]

No one is bashing her like the Chinese, but some of you guys can't take people expressing a little bit dislike of what's Gaga is doing and started to ask them to leave GGD

That's childish

[FATCAT 60,078]

23 minutes ago, warpedcurrents said:

After the Orlando incident, some fans even attacked her saying that she was too quiet about these things and they were hurt. Now she speaks up about gun control and rooting to elect someone that isn't as bad as Trump and now you think she's in the wrong?

You have these two incidents backwards.

1. She tweeted and then deleted a #VoteHillary tweet, purporting to support the victims and their families by politicizing the event. It didn't support the families, it put them on the back-burner. She overstepped. People were upset.

2. She then, left a small bit of time where she was basically radio silent, no apology for her deleted tweet, no response at all, people began to speculate, people were heated and upset. 

3. After that mess, she found a quick google image search photo and wrote a nice few sentences to the families and the victims. This was the right step, which was cheered.

4. She then appeard at the LA vigil. She read allowed the names of those lost, and this was also a great action. It was cheered.

 

[gagajandro25 6,103]

1 minute ago, FATCAT said:

You have these two incidents backwards.

1. She tweeted and then deleted a #VoteHillary tweet, purporting to support the victims and their families by politicizing the event. It didn't support the families, it put them on the back-burner. She overstepped. People were upset.

2. She then, left a small bit of time where she was basically radio silent, no apology for her deleted tweet, no response at all, people began to speculate, people were heated and upset. 

3. After that mess, she found a quick google image search photo and wrote a nice few sentences to the families and the victims. This was the right step, which was cheered.

4. She then appeard at the LA vigil. She read allowed the names of those lost, and this was also a great action. It was cheered.

 

No I wasn't referencing the #VoteHillary tweet because I don't want to discuss that mess. I started out at #2 pretty much. People felt like she wasn't doing enough, and now she's overcompensating.

[Stewful2929 786]

10 minutes ago, M Monstre said:

She's turning into the "John Lennon" of this generation. I never said she was the "John Lennon" of this generation, for all we know, LG5 could be a whole song about peace and love, for all we know, she could have her own version of Imagine. The point I was trying to make about the Lennon comparison was that she's spreading a message of love and peace, while that's certainly something every other artist does, she does it in such a way where you know that she means every word. She's also been doing it so frequently that there is also the possibility that she will turn into a "John Lennon" sort of figure, as far as I know, she's the only other current artist to have a tattoo dedicated to him on their body.

I understand your views on how she's approaching these messages, and you do bring up some valid points about how she should use her more "creative side" to spread these messages, but using a platform like politics, like making videos, etc. are not only easier ways of spreading her message, but in my opinion, they can be more effective ways.

Her being so upfront and so frank about these topics aren't masked by her art, they're statements she believes in and things she wants to promote. It's a way of just saying "This is what I believe and this is how I want to make an impact in today's society". Look at the meat dress, it's purpose was political and showed Gaga's distaste for the Don't ask, Don't Tell policy, it was artistic, yet people focus on the fact that she was wearing raw meat and didn't focus on her message behind it. Sometimes being the most frank and straight-forward about things is the better way to go. 

John Lennon was against the means she's standing for. My point is that she's entering into new territories that are so pointless. Do you really think performing in front of the DNC with 1,000s of people that don't give a crap about her real artist self is doing anything? She's Hillarys lounge singer, and it bothers me. Her power is in her heart, and her art. 

[2ndTimeAround 664]

42 minutes ago, Domino said:

This is not a drag, nor a jab. I'm glad that you can be free on this site, and express your feelings. That is something I don't feel about, Gaga anymore. I'm slowing starting to loose all connection with her. I don't follow politicians, and I'm not fans of them. There is a reason for that. So, when you become so much like a politician, it's getting so hard. I believe in the things that she does like world peace, good things for humanity, but her approach is turning me off so badly. She almost demanding these things now, and it's upsetting. I see the fanbase raveling from the seems with my very own eyes, and she's not trying to save it. Saving the world is a large feat, and we must all try, but are her post genuinely helping? If you cannot help from within the very people who love you, who can you help?

She's alienating her fans, and it's just saddening at this point. It feels like I one day got on Twitter, saw her postings and wondered, wait who is this woman? It's that drastic. Nothing she posts about is music, art, or creativity related now. I believe her true calling is through the arts, and by which she could make a real positive change! Does anyone know anything about Woodstock? Just look at the revolution that was. No one cares about corrupt politicians, or more rules, and laws. This isn't the route to go down. I'm not trying to be a little manager. I'm simply stating how puzzled, sad, and let down I'm feeling.

If she keeps this up, I don't know how much longer I can be in her corner, because how do I support it? Who is pushing this new interest on her? Is it the Ronsons? If you look at Samantha Ronson's Twitter it is filled with political stuff, and Hillary babble. Has she taken on their persona now, and adaptive into this? Is this why we are rejecting her so much, because it's not even her, it's as always someone else? I can't answer any of these questions, and I'm sure this constitutes in some people's mind as another boring whine fest, but that isn't my intention. I only wanted to get some things off my chest. Maybe she'll read what we actually put someday, maybe someone will help her understand how she's being. I don't know

All other celebs have been campaigning for who they want so it's just a Perception that you see because you follow her so closely. It's just an era really. They will elect a president and she will stop the political posts until another event happens ie Orlando. It's just like any other person tweeting support or hate against politics yet hers is observed by millions and gets more attention than the average. 

 

I do see what you are saying, and I guess it depends how sensitive we are to what she does. To me idgaf, and idgaf about waiting for music .... the thing is gaga has gone a bit dark on the music front and all the side projects are changing people's perception of her and people are growing tired and impatient, esp on this site gawd damn it but people grow and expand their horizons and do new stuff. 

At heart she is still the same dream chasing pop princess from new York. 

Everyone that is starting to have doubts will change their minds once new music is out. You all can't hate her and that's a fact, it's just a facade to protect our feelings when we don't get what we want hehehe 

 

Be patient Stan's and have some maafukin faith 

[Stewful2929 786]

6 minutes ago, warpedcurrents said:

No I wasn't referencing the #VoteHillary tweet because I don't want to discuss that mess. I started out at #2 pretty much. People felt like she wasn't doing enough, and now she's overcompensating.

What people are failing to realize is that the, #VoteHIllary tweet is her new mindset. 

[gagajandro25 6,103]

Honestly this is all just an overreaction and a little hiccup for her. She'll move on fairly soon. This is nothing to get worked up over. She's not in the wrong 

[Jed 7,716]

15 minutes ago, ReidOne said:

@Jed I really don't think @Domino started the thread because of a thirst for new music. If he did, the post would have looked like 10,000 other posts we've already seen that say: 

"who cares about Hillary and Hollywood gimme those LG5 bops now!!!1!!11!!!"

Instead the OP is really just saying, if you want to get political, and really make a difference using your unique voice, do it through your music. Not by preaching partisan political views. 

Again, I've got no issues myself with what she's doing, but Domino's sentiment here is a legitimate position. She's an artist, not a politician. And artists who become political have a fine line to walk before they become perceived as being "preachy" instead of "inspiring." 

But again, the post is assuming she isn't using her music to talk about politics simply because we haven't heard it. He said he's worried about her but how is which way she discusses Hillary Clinton something to worry about? We are still inbetween eras so of course we aren't gonna hear new songs, political or otherwise. Gaga shouldn't be releasing anything until it's the lead single or else all the build up is wasted on a non single

[Stewful2929 786]

2 minutes ago, Jed said:

But again, the post is assuming she isn't using her music to talk about politics simply because we haven't heard it. He said he's worried about her but how is which way she discusses Hillary Clinton something to worry about? We are still inbetween eras so of course we aren't gonna hear new songs, political or otherwise. Gaga shouldn't be releasing anything until it's the lead single or else all the build up is wasted on a non single

This has nothing to do with "new music", and everything to do with her genuine self, and actions. You say I am overreacting, but I feel she is being paid for these endorsements. That takes away credibility in my eyes. I fear she is loosing herself, and her core being. I fear that she is lost, and doesn't know which way to turn, that's all. I wish I knew how to help her, because I would. Maybe if she realizes that there are "fans" out there that believe in her, maybe she'd understand again. Don't know

[gagajandro25 6,103]

4 minutes ago, Domino said:

What people are failing to realize is that the, #VoteHIllary tweet is her new mindset. 

According to someone that talked to her team, she only had the best intentions and thinks Hillary could help stop the mass shooting epidemic. She didn't mean for the tweet to be taken how it was and was upset after realizing how many took the tweet. She's not some crooked politician now  she only has the best intentions

[Ronk 14,762]

30 minutes ago, Domino said:

 I believe her true calling is through the arts, and by which she could make a real positive change!

In various ways Gaga has said her true calling is helping people, spreading kindness, changing the world.  She uses the reach from her celebrity status as an artist to help achieve her true humanitarian calling.  Sometimes the lines intersect; she uses her music and her shows to inspire art and creativity.  Some of her positive message is in the lyrics of her songs.  Otherwise, she helps people through the BTW foundation, by promoting kindness at every opportunity, by her words in her concerts, interviews, and elsewhere, by being a role model, a positive influence by living a life of kindness.  She's passionate about this.  When she says that helping even one person means everything to her, she means it.  Changing the world happens one person at a time.

All of this is how she will make a real positive change, and her music is just a part of it.  It's her idea and her approach, and I fully support her for trying everything she can to achieve her goal.  More music will come, but let her do everything she wishes because she deserves it, she's human. and has wonderful intentions.

[Stewful2929 786]

6 minutes ago, Ronk said:

In various ways Gaga has said her true calling is helping people, spreading kindness, changing the world.  She uses the reach from her celebrity status as an artist to help achieve her true humanitarian calling.  Sometimes the lines intersect; she uses her music and her shows to inspire art and creativity.  Some of her positive message is in the lyrics of her songs.  Otherwise, she helps people through the BTW foundation, by promoting kindness at every opportunity, by her words in her concerts, interviews, and elsewhere, by being a role model, a positive influence by living a life of kindness.  She's passionate about this.  When she says that helping even one person means everything to her, she means it.  Changing the world happens one person at a time.

All of this is how she will make a real positive change, and her music is just a part of it.  It's her idea and her approach, and I fully support her for trying everything she can to achieve her goal.  More music will come, but let her do everything she wishes because she deserves it, she's human. and has wonderful intentions.

I get this, and I admire your words. I agree with some of this. However, if your friend was acting oddly, would you speak up? Would you ask them what's wrong? Would you make sure they were ok, and that their wellbeing was ok? I'm stating this from a human perspective, not a "a need music I am so thirsty" perspective. If she's ok then great, but I sense that she is not. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Waited to read more replies to other posters so I wouldn't jump to conclusions and it seems my suspicions are correct in that this is a thinly veiled complaint thread about Gaga supporting Hillary.

I fail to see how tackling a monumental issue that can affect progress for decades thanks to Trump's rhetoric and Republican/conservative obstructionism in the Senate and Supreme Court somehow doesn't fit her agenda. There is literally nothing more important than this issue right now as it will affect all others from rights to economics.

Are people here that irritated that she supports Hillary?   

If you do you are sorely underestimating the effects of a presidency.

[REALITY 76,686]

30 minutes ago, Domino said:

John Lennon was against the means she's standing for. My point is that she's entering into new territories that are so pointless. Do you really think performing in front of the DNC with 1,000s of people that don't give a crap about her real artist self is doing anything? She's Hillarys lounge singer, and it bothers me. Her power is in her heart, and her art. 

Lennon was against love and peace?? But, not to delve further into that, my point is that the fact that she's making these comments—and doing so many other things—in the first place is astonishing. These comments should be made by people like politicians, like global leaders, but the fact that the same woman who sang Just Dance, the same woman who became the world's biggest pop star years ago, is now the same woman who met with the Dalai Lama to promote peace and kindness. 

Do I think that her performing in front of the DNC will do anything? Realistically, probably not, but the fact that she's even doing it in the first place, the fact that she's turning into a much more mature woman is, to me, a great thing. She's an artist at heart, yes, but she's also a huge advocate, something that we've seen throughout her years in the industry, that hasn't changed.

Now to comment on the Hillary thing, does it particularly bother you that she supports Hillary? If she was "Bernie's lounge singer" would you be making the same remarks? Is it really just the fact that she's delving into politics? In my opinion it's great, because we need to get more involved in our politics, we need to be better informed, this is the foundation that shapes our country, why shouldn't she?

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 minute ago, M Monstre said:

this is the foundation that shapes our country, why shouldn't she?

And it has never been more true.

In an era where nationalism and radicalism are seeping back into the West, during a time when many Supreme Court justices will be appointed given their advanced age, and just as the fight for human rights is reaching its crescendo, the next president NEEDS to be a Democrat if the USA is to see any progress.

This is hands down one of the most important elections in US History.

Trump needs to lose... HARD... like all 50 states hard. It's not going to happen, but every won state is more proof that the USA will NOT head in the same direction that the UK did.