Gaga and Dalai Lama at Nations Mayors Conference

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40 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Still not sure that being a pop star and making an album called BTW and making a foundation that does not so much in the big picture qualifies you to speak at this kind of thing but whatever

In her defense, she's one of the few big name popstars I would think of when this topic came to mind. I mean, it's a little odd to me to pick a pop star to go with the Dali Lama, but if they think her influence is that far-reaching? Then so be it, and good for her.

24 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Are you talking about his thoughts on the refugees crisis?

 

18 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Yes, and he's a refugee by himself.

I wouldn't be surprised if you or other members here agree with him tho.

 

What did he say about that?

edit: googled something about there being "too many refugees in Europe" and something about "Arab domination"? Yikes. I don't want to discount the good that he's done, but wow, not the best think to say.

1 hour ago, flopheart said:

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OT but this song deserved, like, 50

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5 minutes ago, T E A said:

BTW, both the album and the foundation, saved lives. don't be ignorant or an elitist.  

I don't think its neither ignorant or "elitist", especially the second one What does one have to do to be asked to speak to Mayors of major US cities about Kindness? If its save lives, Gaga has done that sure, but so have so many people   

Plenty of other pop stars and actors, actresses have done MUCH more than gaga in terms of charity.

Surely this can't be about #PromoteOnlineKindness

Or maybe it is who knows  

I think Gaga is a weird pick for this; for that matter why do they even need someone else BESIDES the Dalai Lama

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4 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Plenty of other pop stars and actors, actresses have done MUCH more than gaga in terms of charity.

why do you have to approach it from a who-would-have-been-a-better-choice perspective? gagz has done plenty herself. just appreciate that others appreciate her efforts more than... well, it seems, you.  

the elitist remark was directed at the "she's just a pop star" reading of your comment. i'm not sure you meant it that way, but i can easily be interpreted as such. 

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9 minutes ago, Miel said:

What did he say about that?

edit: googled something about there being "too many refugees in Europe" and something about "Arab domination"? Yikes. I don't want to discount the good that he's done, but wow, not the best think to say.

 

The Dali Lama told a German newspaper this week that “too many” refugees are heading into Europe.

“Europe, for example Germany, cannot become an Arab country,” the Dali Lama said, Agence France Press reportedTuesday. “Germany is Germany. There are so many that in practice it becomes difficult. … From a moral point of view, too, I think that the refugees should only be admitted temporarily.”

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/1/dalai-lama-too-many-refugees-in-germany-nation-can/

 

 

These words are typical fearmongering rhetoric used by far-right anti-immigration parties and groups in Europe, so it was quite nasty to have him say it, tbh. 

 

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36 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Yes, and he's a refugee by himself.

I wouldn't be surprised if you or other members here agree with him tho.

 

 

The hubris it takes to call a survivor of genocide racist for not sharing your political point of view.

 

This is what the word racist means:

Racist (noun) - a person who believes a particular race is superior to another.

The Dalai Lama believes refugees ought to be let into Europe only on a temporary bases. Let in, but temporarily.  That isn't a racist position. He is not asserting the Arab race is inferior to another race. He wants refugees from Syria to be able to go back to Syria, in the same way he wants to be able to go back to Tibet. He has spent decades tirelessly fighting for the right to no longer be a refugee.

"When we look into the face of every single refugee, especially the children and women, we can feel their suffering," he said. "The goal should be that they return and help rebuild their countries."

His position on Syrian refugees in Germany is the exactly same position he has for himself and his fellow Tibetan refugees living in India - to go home. That isn't racist.

People ignorantly throw around the word racist in order to give their own egos a boost. It's obscene.

 

 

 

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Just now, T E A said:

why do you have to approach it from a who-would-have-been-a-better-choice perspective? gagz has done plenty herself. just appreciate that others appreciate her efforts more than... well, it seems, you.  

the elitist remark was directed at the "she's just a pop star" reading of your comment. i'm not sure you meant it that way, but i can easily be interpreted as such. 

( ._.) I do appreciate her efforts, the point is that it seems like an odd choice for those two reasons. The pop star comment was just a reflection of "she's a celebrity", I didn't say "just", which totally changes the connotation. And then "who has also done charitable work". The first factor doesn't seem like it should have anything to do with her being chosen for this at all. The second one does, but then the argument that others have done what shes done but better and would know more about how to do what shes being asked to do is certainly a valid one. I just think its a weird pick and I've totally defended why I think so, so I'm done

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Just now, SKANK said:

The hubris it takes to call a survivor of genocide racist for not sharing your political point of view.

 

He's sharing a political point of view with far-right fascists in Europe, on that subject - "too many refugees in Europe", "Germany cannot become Arab country"; THAT is racist.

Germany will never become Arab country, that is how typical xenophobes speak. He should know better.

 

4 minutes ago, SKANK said:

His position on Syrian refugees in Germany is the exactly same position he has for himself and his fellow Tibetan refugees living in India - to go home.

 

He didn't go home because he can't. Same way these refugees from war torn Syria cannot go back. The war in Syria won't end any time soon. If they rebuild their life in Germany and integrate, who is he to tell them this was just temporary, now go back?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

( ._.) I do appreciate her efforts, the point is that it seems like an odd choice for those two reasons. The pop star comment was just a reflection of "she's a celebrity", I didn't say "just", which totally changes the connotation. And then "who has also done charitable work". The first factor doesn't seem like it should have anything to do with her being chosen for this at all. The second one does, but then the argument that others have done what shes done but better and would know more about how to do what shes being asked to do is certainly a valid one. I just think its a weird pick and I've totally defended why I think so, so I'm done

well, she certainly doesn't view herself as a pop star and/or a celebrity. she's an artist with revolutionary potential. 

anyway, i get where you're coming from but totally disagree. she has a platform and, as always, she wants to use it to further cultural change and make the world a kinder and braver place. i think she's a perfect choice.

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1 hour ago, Greg said:

I've already seen some Chinese fans online begging her not to do it.

That is sad though that I think about it

 

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39 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

He's sharing a political point of view with far-right fascists in Europe, on that subject - "too many refugees in Europe", "Germany cannot become Arab country"; THAT is racist.

Germany will never become Arab country, that is how typical xenophobes speak. He should know better.

He didn't go home because he can't. Same way these refugees from war torn Syria cannot go back. The war in Syria won't end any time soon. If they rebuild their life in Germany and integrate, who is he to tell them this was just temporary, now go back?

 

 

 

You are presenting his views in a lopsided way.

A few days ago the Dalai Lama "schooled" the conservatives at Fox News by telling them that America has room to be taking in millions of immigrants. Go watch the interview. His views on immigration are not black and white.

If you take into consideration everything he said about immigration you would understand that his position is far, far, far, more compassionate and nuanced then that of the far-right fascists. But why try and take a moment to understand a nuanced opinion when you can get your SJW dïck hard by name calling, am I right?

For the record, I don't happen to agree with him. I just find it simultaneously revolting and halarious that you would dismiss the multi-layered opinion of arguably the most famous refugee and survivor or genocide in the world, on the subject of refugees fleeing genocide...by calling him racist. It's just mortifying. The level of discourse tumblr and social media has made acceptable among people who think of themselves as politically active individuals...it's just mortifying.

 

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7 minutes ago, SKANK said:

But why try and take a moment to understand a nuanced opinion when you can get your SJW dïck hard by name calling, am I right?

 

Talking about revolting, this has to be one of the most vomit inducing replies I've seen GGD. Congrats Skank. You're lucky I won't waste my wps on you.

What he said was racist and you couldn't really defend that. It doesn't really matter if he said something else on Fox news. His words were used by European xenophobes with "We told you so, even Dalai Lama is warning about Arab domination". 

That's all there is to it.

The fact you need to mention many times how famous he is and "survivor of genocide", to elevate him from all other refugees of the world, who could have gone through a lot worse... 

Continue to worship the exiled monarch, the leader of the cast that oppressed Tibet many years and stay out of my notifications.

 

Oh and it's hilarious* btw.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Talking about revolting, this has to be one of the most vomit inducing replies I've seen GGD. Congrats Skank. You're lucky I won't waste my wps on you.

What he said was racist and you couldn't really defend that. It doesn't really matter if he said something else on Fox news. His words were used by European xenophobes with "We told you so, even Dalai Lama is warning about Arab domination". 

That's all there is to it.

The fact you need to mention many times how famous he is and "survivor of genocide", to elevate him from all other refugees of the world, who could have gone through a lot worse... 

Continue to worship the exiled monarch, the leader of the cast that oppressed Tibet many years and stay out of my notifications.

 

Oh and it's hilarious* btw.

 

 

 

A few days ago when Hillary Clinton said she wasn't afraid to use the words Islamic Terrorism to describe the massacre in Orlando she received praise by xenophobes and fascists for using a phrase which Trump uses and Obama refuses to use. They ignored Clinton's broader message and used her words to defend their xenophobic and fascist world view, in the exact same way xenophobes are lifting the Dalai Lama's quote out of context and using it to defend their xenophobic world view. Fascist using someone's words out of context is not enough to indite that person's character.

Oh, and if you are going to lower the quality of conversation by resorting to correcting people's spelling errors you might want to learn the difference between cast and caste. btw

 

 

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The quality of conversation was lowered already with previous reply. It can't sink any more than that.

And his words were not even out of context, there's no misinterpretation, but whatever.