Race Activist hijacks Orlando Vigil

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

This is frustrating

I obviously understand the need for BLM, and I think it has been partially hijacked by people like this, and of course the media will and has been focusing on THIS kind of action that BLM has taken, but its also not a collective movement and people disagree about what it means, what it should do, how it should do it, etc.

It's like feminism  

I would say that most of the people against BLM are against it as a concept though, so that's their own "all lives matter" bs coming out  I totally understand not agreeing with people who do things like this are doing, and I know that the founders of BLM from years ago, the people who held meetings with Hillary, who are campaigning for real change in this country in police violence and respecting black people and black culture are way smarter than this. This saddens me because inspite of the need for a conversation on the value of black lives, this will undoubtedly paint BLM as some kind of fringe extremist group or something. As well a member of the LGBT community and the Black community, I can say that oppression olympics don't solve anything.

Sigh

 

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

Honestly, I support the BLM. But I don't support manner in which she spoke. It was divisive instead of unifying, to the point where it angered people. She would have had more support if she would have said something like, "we are here for the LGBT community, and hopefully we can come together to fight the same people that keep both out communities oppressed." She had the stage, the LGBT community gave her a platform to speak. She missed the opportunity to garner support instead she squandered it with the divisive mess she said. She certainly does not seem like a leader in the BLM. Hopefully a real representative of leadership of the BLM will say something soon. 

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19 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

The Black Lives Matter movement is cancer. 

This is absolutely disgusting. It made me sick. 

That's a bit much. You don't need to slam black lives matter just cause of one girl. 

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

5 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Lol how many times do BLM people have to get up and worsen race relations like they did here until you see them for what they're worthy? (Which is whiny cry babies who don't have jobs and have too much time on their hands)

Again, all lives matter. Gay lives mater.

The hell?  

"Whiny cry babies who don't have jobs and have too much time on their hands"?  

I don't even care how inappropriate this specific situation was, how are you going to call people who are dedicating their time money and livelihoods to trying to improve the lives of black people "whiny cry babies" In fact, how dare you call any person "whiny" for actually talking about the way society treats them and undervalues them.

The nerve. You should be ashamed.

For the record, all lives do matter. It'd be nice if society realized that though.

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6 minutes ago, just4fun said:

Honestly, I support the BLM. But I don't supper manner in which she spoke. It was divisive instead of unifying, to the point where it angered people. She would have had more support if she would have said something like, "we are here for the LGBT community, and hopefully we can come together to fight the same people that keep both out communities oppressed." She had the stage, the LGBT community gave her a platform to speak. She missed the opportunity to garner support instead she squandered it with the divisive mess she said. She certainly does not seem like a leader in the BLM. Hopefully a real representative of leadership of the BLM will say something soon. 

Same  I was nodding my head along as I was reading to that because everything was right 

 

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

I don't know whats worse. Minorities not supporting each other and this person misusing their platform or the fact that people who are already ignorant and prejudice against BLM and similar movements are going to use this as some kind of cannon fodder proof of how "terrible!" and "racist" () the movement is.

 

[Himeros26 1,688]

She's just selfish. She doesn't represent the BLM movement in any way shape or form.

However, just a reminder to the white people who are salty:

You cannot be racist to a white person. You can be prejudiced, but not racist. White people have never been suppressed as a racial group.

EDIT: and also, please don't say "All Lives Matter." It's incredibly disrespectful. The reason why the movement is called what it is is to show that racism is still alive and is being suppressed. When people say "All Lives Matter," it's another way suppressing the actual issue. 

[Bear 7,515]

"You don't understand because you're white." vs "I hate the dichotomy between Black and White." 

Peace and tolerance will only ever happen through unification, and her diversifying and almost condensing approach to her speech doesn't amount to anything constructive. So long as people see and treat each other differently because of the colour of their skin, which she also did, racism will be given an environment to exist.

Regardless, I don't think it is appropriate for her to be doing this here. I'm fairly sure this vigil is meant to be for remembering and praying for the dead, and what she did only distracted the focus from that. 

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5 minutes ago, Himeros26 said:

She's just selfish. She doesn't represent the BLM movement in any way shape or form.

However, just a reminder to the white people who are salty:

You cannot be racist to a white person. You can be prejudiced, but not racist. White people have never been suppressed as a racial group.

EDIT: and also, please don't say "All Lives Matter." It's incredibly disrespectful. The reason why the movement is called what it is is to show that racism is still alive and is being suppressed. When people say "All Lives Matter," it's another way suppressing the actual issue. 

Wow. I find this idea very interesting. Also very wrong at first glance. Do you have any academic document that discusses this idea further? I'd like to look at the development of this notion of racism.

as far as I know racism is not about historical oppression. That would be a consequence of racism, not racism as a concept. Racism would be the ideology that humans can be subdivided into races, some of which are superior and some inferior. I thought this was the academic definition of racism.

[TerrenceV2 2,001]

I started cringing since the first 10 seconds. I agree with the man, what an opportunistic choice to talk about something completely different when people is there to mourn the biggest massacre in US history. Every color is united in that moment and SUPPORTING the LGBT. That is NOT the occasion to make it about your cultural problems and promote segregation.

ALL LIVES MATTER.

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49 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Are you kidding me? BLM goes into college libraries during finals weeks and scream and shout. They go stand in highways to block traffic from getting to work. What good have they done another than pissing people off?

This is EXACTLY what BLM represents. BLM is about driving a wedge between all of us.

All lives matter. 

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I support this Black Lives Matter movement, but this is the wrong time and place to promote it. This is a time of mourning, of sorrow, of hurt for the LGBTQ+ community. This was a blatant attack directed towards the LGBTQ+ community and using this platform to promote this movement is not only wrong but absolutely disgusting and disrespectful to not only the people sitting/standing there mourning the victims, but also to the LGBTQ+ community in general. 

 

[gagzus 23,140]

this is about the LGBT+ community and OUR deaths and our suffering and paying respect to the dead whom yes, many were PoC but this WASN'T a mass murder because of race- it was about a homophobic man who murdered people BECAUSE they were LGBT. And there's even that video where a survivor said he tried to spare PoCs because they've "suffered enough". Ergo he was NOT killing bc of race. She's being ignorant and selfish tbh.

I support the BLM COMPLETELY but she is not the face of it and it's not about BLM this time.

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

27 minutes ago, Resquid said:

Wow. I find this idea very interesting. Also very wrong at first glance. Do you have any academic document that discusses this idea further? I'd like to look at the development of this notion of racism.

as far as I know racism is not about historical oppression. That would be a consequence of racism, not racism as a concept. Racism would be the ideology that humans can be subdivided into races, some of which are superior and some inferior. I thought this was the academic definition of racism.

It's controversial, and mostly used in sociological circles (which has expanded to Social Justice spaces  ) because of it. The definition you are talking about is actually closer to the maybe historical, scientific definition? Racism has a lot of history in science and well, history but I would argue that most academic discussion about it is being done in sociology and anthropology these days.There are several definitions btw

http://sociology.about.com/od/R_Index/fl/Racism.htm 

There are several modern academic papers that discuss the power + prejudice model of racism, which was coined by Pat Bidol in 1970, and its generally kind of accepted amongst those circles, but its not definitive. I think the issue is honestly more tied into the nuances of descriptive and prescriptive language and definitions, where people think that "dictionary definition of their choice" is the only real answer and that all other answers are just some "SJW myth creation" or whatever, even though the terms aren't new at all.
What ends up happening is that people who are versed on academic definitions of racism, or into sociology and race relations, gender theory, women's studies, etc. (all of which have some kind of basis in Sociology) use this definition because they believe it has more clout and is more important in the big picture (These interdisciplinary studies all tend to examine society in a macro way, structuralism and all that jazz.) than the colloquial definition used to define everyday events and situations. In my opinion, its not important which definition you use as long as you can realize that are several with appropriate meanings and usages. Sometimes its more important to talk about racism in an academic setting than in a colloquial one for example; while calling a white person a "cracker" may be a racially motivated (and by some definitions "Racist") slur, it doesn't hold the power to affect policy or influence social standards, stereotypes, mores, etc. so many people use the academic definition almost exclusively.

Even before the "Power + Prejudice" Model came into popular use, there was already discourse that described and heavily alluded to a similar model and definition. Several foreigners and critical thinkers wrote books about slavery and racism in America that go back to the 1800s that in my opinion, very heavily allude to the modern power + prejudice definition or a structural, institutional one. Some of the most prominent authors and thinkers were french men. If you want to know more, I can point you in the right direction.

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1 hour ago, MJHolland said:

Are you kidding me? BLM goes into college libraries during finals weeks and scream and shout. They go stand in highways to block traffic from getting to work. What good have they done another than pissing people off?

This is EXACTLY what BLM represents. BLM is about driving a wedge between all of us.

All lives matter. 

The point of "Black Lives Matter" is that all lives matter, because there were/are such racial tensions and it is a racial issue. What Black Lives Matter protesters and supporters are saying is that "all lives matter" because "All Lives Matter" includes black lives. 

The "All Lives Matter" rebuttal is essentially a PC way of saying "yeah, yeah your lives matter, but what about us?". Black Lives Matter means that not only do black lives matter, but White lives, Asian lives, Hispanic lives, etc. etc.