LilVenusian 579 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 On 6/5/2016 at 7:07 AM, Strigoi said: Still gets me everytime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Anatomy 2,284 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 3 hours ago, LilVenusian said: Still gets me everytime I know If anything she raped him with the Disco Stick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzcutSeason 3,307 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 you spent a lotta time writing that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Anatomy 2,284 Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 3 hours ago, BuzzcutSeason said: you spent a lotta time writing that Not really, took me 5 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 4 hours ago, Katie14 said: Its coerced rape which is still rape. Like if someone says "ill kill your family if you dont have sexxx with me" the victim still has a choice but the choice is being heavily manipulated. The victim cant make a decision to not have sexxx without any strings attached. Its basically like being mentally or emotionally forced instead of physically forced. In my opinion, this type of rape can be worse than being physically forced because the victim is more likely to not think they were raped or to blame themselves. I also think this is what happened to Gaga based on the way she described the situation. 3 hours ago, Kayla said: blackmailing and manipulating someone is rape. Rape isn't just literally forcing yourself onto someone physically.... When you tell someone ill kill your family if you dont have sexxx with me then yes it is rape because you are threatening to physically hurt someone but not offering someone a job at your company if they dont have sexxx with you is not rape.. Gaga can simply chose to not be signed to a label that wants to rape her and nothing will happen to her. Ofcourse this is all in assumption that thats what happened and is all he required from her. What do you mean the victim cant make a decision to not have sex without any strings attached? just dont have sexxx and you wont have strings attached! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip 5,100 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I think that's a brilliant research! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 5 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said: When you tell someone ill kill your family if you dont have sexxx with me then yes it is rape because you are threatening to physically hurt someone but not offering someone a job at your company if they dont have sexxx with you is not rape.. Gaga can simply chose to not be signed to a label that wants to rape her and nothing will happen to her. Ofcourse this is all in assumption that thats what happened and is all he required from her. What do you mean the victim cant make a decision to not have sexxx without any strings attached? just dont have sexxx and you wont have strings attached! On a very technical level coercion is not rape because the definitions don't lineup - most sources, legal sources, will say that rape must include some form of penetration and/or involvement of threats that intimidate the person to fear their physical safety; holding sexxx over someone's head for a job doesn't exactly fit that criteria. And, in the workplace at least, sexual harassment is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. ^ By legal definition, sexual coercion is a form of sexual harassment, and thus is illegal in the workplace. A music company is a workplace, so not offering a job if they don't have sexxx with you is a form of sexual harassment. And it isn't as easy as saying "don't sign with a record company that wants to rape you." It's not like they put up signs advertising that- by the time an artist is at a point where they may be taken advantage of they've already signed a contract. And it's also not like predatory people just upfront say "So, welcome to the studio- I'm planning on trying to take sexual advantage of you," that's where the coercion/harassment comes into play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hELXIG 42,692 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 I'll admit I've thought about this before and kinda watched the pieces fall into place while observing her career and hearing things dropped into interviews over the years. It might be true, it might not. But whatever is the truth, I love her and wish the best for her forever. And I'm glad that through whichever means it took, she entered my life, and the lives of thousands, and changed them for the better. I'll be myself until they fūcking close the coffin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Gaga is pure soul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 48 minutes ago, Kayla said: On a very technical level coercion is not rape because the definitions don't lineup - most sources, legal sources, will say that rape must include some form of penetration and/or involvement of threats that intimidate the person to fear their physical safety; holding sexxx over someone's head for a job doesn't exactly fit that criteria. And, in the workplace at least, sexual harassment is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors. ^ By legal definition, sexual coercion is a form of sexual harassment, and thus is illegal in the workplace. A music company is a workplace, so not offering a job if they don't have sexxx with you is a form of sexual harassment. And it isn't as easy as saying "don't sign with a record company that wants to rape you." It's not like they put up signs advertising that- by the time an artist is at a point where they may be taken advantage of they've already signed a contract. And it's also not like predatory people just upfront say "So, welcome to the studio- I'm planning on trying to take sexual advantage of you," that's where the coercion/harassment comes into play. How is coercion not rape? what the hell are you talking about? if I raped someone by forcing to have sexxx and that person is not capable of stopping the action its not rape because it did not involve me threatening them? im sure thats not what you are saying and im understanding this wrong. Bullying, coercion of a sexual nature and exchange for sexual favors is sexual harrasment but its not rape. Sexual Harassment is not rape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMonster08 4,528 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Reading the original post this is the first thing that came on my mind I hope that the theory isn't literally true, people have a choice but abortion can leave physical and emotional trauma with whoever underwent it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 11 hours ago, faysalaaa1 said: How is coercion not rape? what the hell are you talking about? if I raped someone by forcing to have sexxx and that person is not capable of stopping the action its not rape because it did not involve me threatening them? im sure thats not what you are saying and im understanding this wrong. Bullying, coercion of a sexual nature and exchange for sexual favors is sexual harrasment but its not rape. Sexual Harassment is not rape. That's what I was saying. I did more reading and clarified my thoughts to say that while coercion is not rape, it is sexual harassment. And sexual harassment is not rape, although it can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 11 hours ago, McMonster08 said: Reading the original post this is the first thing that came on my mind I hope that the theory isn't literally true, people have a choice but abortion can leave physical and emotional trauma with whoever underwent it. Having an unwanted child can also cause physical and emotional trauma. I'd be WAY more traumatized and devastated to A) have to give birth to and raise a baby AND B) have to give birth to and put a baby in the adoption/fostering system. And actually statistically most women do NOT regret their abortions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmm 879 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 22 minutes ago, Kayla said: That's what I was saying. I did more reading and clarified my thoughts to say that while coercion is not rape, it is sexual harassment. And sexual harassment is not rape, although it can be. Maybe my English is failing me but how is coercion sexxx not rape? and yes I know sexual harassment is not rape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 minute ago, faysalaaa1 said: Maybe my English is failing me but how is coercion sexxx not rape? and yes I know sexual harassment is not rape. It depends on legal definitions. By definition, rape involves some form of penetration by use of force or when the victim is unable to say No (like passed out). With coercion, there's no physical threat or physical harm, so it's technically not "rape" legally, but it is still "sexual harassment." It's apples and oranges, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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