LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 1 minute ago, FATCAT said: The limit is created with super delegates in mind, but the 2383 goal is ONLY pledged delegates, not super delegates. ... That is not true...the 2383 is for all delegates. You have your information confused. As I said it's the total number of delegates, 4763, divided by 2 (you need half to win) + 1 to break the tie. That's 2383. Despite the math giving you that number...50% + 1... you are still contesting that? I'm sorry but if math can't convince you then nothing can I'm off to bed Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,888 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Just now, LebaneseDude said: ... That is not true...the 2383 is for all delegates. You have your information confused. No. I don't. I just supplied you with a video explaining the count. Super delegates don't vote until the convention, which means that their 'votes' don't count. They shouldn't be included in the 2383 limit. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, FATCAT said: No. I don't. I just supplied you with a video explaining the count. Super delegates don't vote until the convention, which means that their 'votes' don't count. They shouldn't be included in the 2383 limit. ...but the limit itself is determined with superdelegates.... no Democratic nominee has ever won the nomination with the limit. What you are saying now is that you need 2383/4051 = 59% of total votes to win the election. How is that remotely sensible? That number is random as they come. You're basically saying you need a landslide to win without the convention. That is almost impossible unless the candidate is running uncontested. You need 50% + 1 of all delegates. That's 2383. That includes superdelegates. You CANNOT use the 2383 number while discounting superdelegates. It is unfair and a complete hack. Use a different limit if you want to discount them. I did the math for you in that other post, and Clinton also wins. Every Democratic race in the past has declared the winner when they cross that point. It's not official but it's done. Why do you think superdelegates would switch their votes when Hillary is ahead in delegates, popular vote, performs well against Trump as of last week, and performs better than Trump in crucial swing states like Florida. You're trying to find excuses for Sanders. I'm sorry FATCAT but it's over. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FATCAT 60,888 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Just now, LebaneseDude said: ...but the limit itself is determined with superdelegates.... no Democratic nominee has ever won the nomination with the limit. What you are saying now is that you need 2383/4051 = 59% of total votes to win the election. How is that remotely sensible? That number is random as they come. You're basically saying you need a landslide to win without the convention. That is almost impossible unless the candidate is running uncontested. You need 50% + 1 of all delegates. That's 2383. That includes superdelegates. You CANNOT use the 2383 number while discounting superdelegates. It is unfair and a complete hack. Every Democratic race in the past has declared the winner when they cross that point. It's not official but it's done. Why do you think superdelegates would switch their votes when Hillary is ahead in delegates, popular vote, performs well against Trump as of last week, and performs better than Trump in crucial swing states like Florida. You're trying to find excuses for Sanders. I'm sorry FATCAT but it's over. Hope for an indictment I guess. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? The 2383 limit is to lock up the nomination until the convention. You have to get to this limit with pledged delegates to secure the nom. Super delegates don't vote until the convention, so their statements mean nothing. This will be a contested convention. This kitten over here (meow) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Hillary wins all 7 Pledged Delegates and 4 Supers for a total of 11. Next up Puerto Rico. ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 2 hours ago, FATCAT said: Why is this so difficult for you to understand? The 2383 limit is to lock up the nomination until the convention. You have to get to this limit with pledged delegates to secure the nom. Super delegates don't vote until the convention, so their statements mean nothing. This will be a contested convention. No, it won't be. Hillary will be declared the presumptive nominee this Tuesday, just like Obama was in 2008. That's how it works. The party is over for Bernie. He will be at the convention to support the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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