Bernie Sanders Could Still Win the Democratic Nomination — No, Seriously

[Whispering 18,865]

Just now, Redstreak said:

It seems like it'll matter when she loses a second bid for president.

Yes...I'm sure she would lose by one vote and that vote woukd be YOU....a voter in Alabama, a state that is going to Trump no matter what.  

Cast your vote for whoever you decide on. 

[Goosey 3,017]

1 minute ago, Whispering said:

Yes...I'm sure she would lose by one vote and that vote woukd be YOU....a voter in Alabama, a state that is going to Trump no matter what.  

Careful there. It's not "no matter what". First, Trump is still not the Republican nominee. Certain tricks could be pulled out of a hat. Second, you can't assume the state will swing red. That's dangerous thinking.

You need to get out and vote. Don't stay at home because "it's a sure thing". That is the kind of thing that could lead to a surprise Democrat win.

[Redstreak 6,653]

7 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Yes...I'm sure she would lose by one vote and that vote woukd be YOU....a voter in Alabama, a state that is going to Trump no matter what.  

Cast your vote for whoever you decide on. 

You say that as you completely ignore the millions of independents who are siding with Trump over her. You're the reason he's doing as well as he is, people underestimated his ability to get votes until it was too late. People hate the system were currently under and she's simply a continuation of it, people who hate trumps policies have cast support for him simply because of that fact.

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1 minute ago, Goosey said:

Careful there. It's not "no matter what". First, Trump is still not the Republican nominee. Certain tricks could be pulled out of a hat. Second, you can't assume the state will swing red. That's dangerous thinking.

You need to get out and vote. Don't stay at home because "it's a sure thing". That is the kind of thing that could lead to a surprise Democrat win.

Trump will be the nominee. Yes, I can safely assume that Alabama will go Republican., since they have voted that way for the last nine presidential elections. That's logical thinking. 

 

[Goosey 3,017]

Just now, Whispering said:

Trump will be the nominee. Yes, I can safely assume that Alabama will go Republican., since they have voted that way for the last nine presidential elections. That's logical thinking. 

You can assume what you like, but you still need to vote regardless. We need a collective effort to MAGA.

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17 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

You say that as you completely ignore the millions of independents who are siding with Trump over her. You're the reason he's doing as well as he is, people underestimated his ability to get votes until it was too late. People hate the system were currently under and she's simply a continuation of it, people who hate trumps policies have cast support for him simply because of that fact.

The reason he is doing well has absolutely nothing to do with me or people like me. I don't vote Republican. 

If there are enough people who want to vote Trump into office to prove some point, that's what will happen. It won't prove or change anything, but they will have "stuck it to da man" at their own peril. It might just take a Trump to show people that nothing will change with their "non-establishment" pick. 

Unfortunately, we will have the whole Supreme Court Justice issue, but that will only impact the next forty years, or so. In a few decades, we will get back to a more even balance on the Supreme Court.  

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4 minutes ago, Goosey said:

You can assume what you like, but you still need to vote regardless. We need a collective effort to MAGA.

Lol

We? You don't live in the US. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

If I were a Bernie supporter I'd be disgusted by this article and no it's not because he is using statistics that are clearly out of context which insult any knowledgeable person's intelligence to "make me feel better. He's saying that it's OK if the superdelegates overcome the 3.2 million voters. Isn't the entire point of the Bernie supporter's agenda to represent the people? 

Are you now saying that it's OK to overcome the will of the people? I relate to many of Bernie supporters' ideals but can you at least be consistent in what you believe rather than base your judgement of a certain based on who or what it benefits? I thought you hated that about the "establishment".

I'd post my counterarguments to the article which have been posted and countered a dozen times with facts and logical reasoning....but I've come to learn that many of you are too stubborn to overcome your own irrational animus against Hillary, dismissing any evidence that conflicts with your own views, downplaying the severity of the offenses of your own candidate in comparison to hers, misrepresenting any information you present without context, and rely on sensationalist posts and regurgitated rhetoric to make your cases.

It's quite sad really and I don't mean that cynically. There's nothing more disheartening than people who willfully wallow in their delusion and misinformation.

I suggest you stop treating this political race as a pop star stan war. I know Trump makes it look like E! Entertainment, but you're messing with people's lives here. It's not about what you like or dislike. It's what's best for society. You speak of social welfare while hypocritically putting your own interests and moods above all others. 

At this point it feels that it's less about Bernie and more about being against Hillary. Like how sad is that? Most of you were fetuses throughout most her career. You hate her as if she's had any influence on your life. It's as if she's spoken against you as well. It's quite sad. It mimics how you talk about pop stars really. Are you more comfortable with someone who exudes xenophobia, misogyny, and jngoism? Are you so desperate to not "lose" that you'd prefer to pull tantrums? That speaks volumes of your characters. 

Honestly, this may be a Gaga forum but if you're going to discuss politics, at least make an attempt to know what you're talking about. Abstaining from voting or voting for someone who operates against your interests is not "making a statement'. It's giving up. It's not empowering, it's accepting a fate which you could have avoided had you put your ego and pride down and used your minds.

[Goosey 3,017]

5 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

I'd post my opinion but I've come to learn that many of you are too stubborn to overcome your own irrational animus against Hillary, dismissing any evidence that conflicts with your own views, downplaying the severity of the offenses of your own candidate in comparison to hers, misrepresenting any information you present without context, and rely on sensationalist posts and regurgitated rhetoric to make your cases.

It's quite sad really and I don't mean that cynically. There's nothing more disheartening than people who willfully wallow in their delusion and misinformation. 

I suggest you stop treating this political race as a pop star stan war. I know Trump makes it look like E! Entertainment, but you're messing with people's lives here, not what they listen to. Honestly, this may be a Gaga forum but if you're going to discuss politics, at least make an attempt to know what you're talking about. 

It's not irrational. Most voters have a low opinion of her. They might be voting for her in the general election, but they're not thrilled about Mrs. Rodham Clinton.

 

Clinton’s dismal approval ratings prompt Dem fears

Clinton is now viewed unfavorably by 55 percent of the electorate, according to the HuffPost Pollster average, which tracks findings from 42 different polling outfits. Only 40.2 percent of people view her favorably, according to that average.

An Associated Press/GfK poll released last week also found 55 percent giving Clinton an unfavorable rating. In the most recent Gallup poll, released late last month, her unfavorable number was 53 percent versus only 42 percent who saw her favorably.

Even Democrats acknowledge those findings are a problem.

“They’re pretty bad,” said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon, who connected the poor poll numbers to separate findings that show a broad number of Americans don’t trust Clinton.

“The No. 1 reason that her favorability is so bad is that you have large numbers of Americans who say they don’t trust her,” he said. “I could make it sound more complicated than that, but that’s really what it is. Voters see her as the ultimate politician, who will do or say anything to get elected.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276078-clintons-dismal-approval-ratings-prompt-dem-fears

 

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

2 minutes ago, Goosey said:

It's not irrational. Most voters have a low opinion of her. They might be voting for her in the general election, but they're not thrilled about Mrs. Rodham Clinton.

 

Clinton’s dismal approval ratings prompt Dem fears

Clinton is now viewed unfavorably by 55 percent of the electorate, according to the HuffPost Pollster average, which tracks findings from 42 different polling outfits. Only 40.2 percent of people view her favorably, according to that average.

An Associated Press/GfK poll released last week also found 55 percent giving Clinton an unfavorable rating. In the most recent Gallup poll, released late last month, her unfavorable number was 53 percent versus only 42 percent who saw her favorably.

Even Democrats acknowledge those findings are a problem.

“They’re pretty bad,” said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon, who connected the poor poll numbers to separate findings that show a broad number of Americans don’t trust Clinton.

“The No. 1 reason that her favorability is so bad is that you have large numbers of Americans who say they don’t trust her,” he said. “I could make it sound more complicated than that, but that’s really what it is. Voters see her as the ultimate politician, who will do or say anything to get elected.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276078-clintons-dismal-approval-ratings-prompt-dem-fears

 

 

Favorability ratings are irrelevant. People may not like her but will vote for her because she's still the best choice. They're also subject to change. Bernie's ratings will inevitably decrease as the GOP pours in the negative ads which he has so far been spared from because Hillary did not want to alienate his base. He's an unknown. As soon as the democratic race is over, her favorability will go up as people rally behind her, just as Trump's will.

You also ignore the context that Trump has a shitty favorability rating too to make your case. Both sit at 50+% disapproval. It doesn't actually matter though. The fact that people have already formed their opinions on her actually makes her the best choice against Trump. He can't rebrand her, something that he's done with all other candidates.

Stop pretending you know anything about this race Goosey. The other day you thought that the USA was still fighting for same sex marriage. Enough. Go learn more about this before you try to argue with me.

[Goosey 3,017]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Favorability ratings are irrelevant. People may not like her but will vote for her because she's still the best choice.

You also ignore the context that Trump has a shitty favorability rating too to make your case.

Stop pretending you know anything about this race Goosey. The other day you thought that the USA was still fighting for same sex marriage. Enough.

Ad hominem, I see.

Still not explaining how the widespread dislike of Clinton is "irrational".

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

43 minutes ago, Goosey said:

Ad hominem, I see.

Still not explaining how the widespread dislike of Clinton is "irrational".

No this is not ad hominem. This is nothing against your character. This is knowing that you clearly lack a lot of context when trying to discuss these issues, much like knowing that someone from a rural town in Canada won't know what happens in Massachusetts.

I never called disliking her irrational. I called hating her as such. The blatant hatred is just fascinating. Disliking her is natural considering her position. People dislike Obama too even though he turned the country around. She's powerful and influential. She has enemies. What's disturbing is how easily you accept propaganda against her. Have some minds of your own for crying out loud. Repeating the same 10 points every single time is disturbing. Do you not at least try to read information when it's presented to you? How willfully ignorant are people willing to remain? How can you hate someone you barely know  

The saddest part is that a person from Lebanon knows more about politics than a lot of Americans here. 

[Himeros26 1,688]

5 hours ago, BoysBoysBoys652 said:

What does me being from here have to do with anything? Typical white men, playing the "Get out of my country card" or "You're not American stay out of it". Typical. You're a CLASS A stereotype.

No wonder! You're ass is 14!!!! LMAO.

Get a few dicks in there to calm your uneducated Spoiled Gen Z ass down. Then talk to me in 10 years when you learn from more than Youtube Slander videos and Crappy TV ads. BYE>

There is no need for you to talk to a 14 year old like that. That is sexual harassment. 

And don't attack me just because I support Bernie, that was 100% uncalled for.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

1 hour ago, Redstreak said:

You say that as you completely ignore the millions of independents who are siding with Trump over her. You're the reason he's doing as well as he is, people underestimated his ability to get votes until it was too late. People hate the system were currently under and she's simply a continuation of it, people who hate trumps policies have cast support for him simply because of that fact.

Millions of independents will also vote for Hillary. They're almost evenly split among independents, and I'm willing to bet that Hillary will take a lead once Bernie bows out and endorses her because I doubt he's a fool.

[Goosey 3,017]

54 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

No this is not ad hominem. This is nothing against your character. This is knowing that you clearly lack a lot of context when trying to discuss these issues, much like knowing that someone from a rural town in Canada won't know what happens in Massachusetts.

Who said I'm from a rural town? And your comment that someone from Canada won't know what happens in Massachusetts makes as much sense as saying someone from Massachusetts won't know what happens in California (or someone in Lebanon won't know what happens in Washington).

56 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

I never called disliking her irrational. I called hating her as such. The blatant hatred is just fascinating. Disliking her is natural considering her position. People dislike Obama too even though he turned the country around. She's powerful and influential. She has enemies. What's disturbing is how easily you accept propaganda against her. Have some minds of your own for crying out loud. Repeating the same 10 points every single time is disturbing. Do you not at least try to read information when it's presented to you? How willfully ignorant are people willing to remain? How can you hate someone you barely know  

A lot of the hatred stems from the words coming out of her own mouth.

This is all the "propaganda" I need to read to be intense disgusted with her:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/