Holocaust survivor stabbed by Palestinian

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2 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Why should I care enough to read your post if all you do is ignore the evidence I'm giving you? That's not how you discuss with people about these certain topics.

Don't bother. 

 

I am disgust by some people on this forum doubting this story. Ya'll have no shame to twsit truth when it comes to Israel.

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52 minutes ago, Didymus said:

The "we warn people before we bomb their houses" argument is just designed to make Israel look better.

This argument has been puzzling me for a while now. I'm not too knowledgeable about the whole conflict, but I honestly don't understand how "we warn them" makes them any better. Like, they're still bombing civilians  and to throw a bit of my thinking into it, state sponsored terrorism is worse than attacks by terrorist organizations if you ask me. Just knowing my country helps Israel send bombs into people's houses just...blech...

That's not to excuse the actions on the "other side" but I come from a place of optimism which becomes unrealistic when human nature is thrown into the equation. I don't understand why they can't just sit down and settle their differences without killing each other...that's an immature view in some people's eyes but I'm not into pointing fingers or ridiculous conflict, especially at this scale.

It's sad that this woman was attacked. It's sad that all those people are dying, on both sides. I can't believe it actually matters to people to point out which one the bad guy is. There are no evil people! They're all being driven to this from a desperate or ignorant place. Who cares who started it? End it and stop spilling each other's blood for f*cks sake. Compromise is always possible if you act like an adult.

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Michael taught me at a young age to always be child like because it's the most pure way of thinking. You don't need to fight to get a resolution and there is no cause worth killing for.

 

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2 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

What I have experienced is nothing compared to what the people in the south experienced. They live in a daily fear from these rockets. Homes were ruin out of it. Saying they are completely harmless is such an inappropriate comment and I am sure you would take it back at some point in your life.

If you read my post carefully you would've seen that I did call the rockets problematic and they deserve attention, but they're not an excuse to pass off the whole conflict as "They're firing rockets so they're to blame and we're just trying to defend ourselves", that's presenting a half-truth to everyone. That can't be right.

Also, if Israel was so goddamn concerned about their citizens being the victim of Palestinian violence they would make serious efforts to move toward peace. And guess what they do? They intentionally get their feet stuck on the gas of all the things that are inciting more and more violence. From my first post to you I said both parties need to be held accountable for innocent peoples' losses. If you had any wit you'd see that Israel is doing you zero favors in keeping you safe and is only making decisions that'll keep you less safe in the future. But keep defending the government that insists on making the situation worse.

6 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

The only reason you're questioning these rockets is because the number of deaths in Israel are lower but it's not my fault you can't realize that without the Iron Dome, the statistics and number of deaths would be very different.

Cackle at that.

I mean, duh, of course I know the Iron Dome is making most of the rockets completely ineffective. I wish every goddamn country had an Iron Dome. This comment only makes mine more effective: Israel is probably the safest country to ever have been in a war situation because of marvels like the Iron Dome. Who cares that the number of deaths would be different without it? It's there. The end.

7 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

There is violence in the first place because the Jewish people wanted to have their own country and the Arabs didn't agree and attacked the Jews because of it in 1948 but eventually lost and ran way and are now called "Palestinians". It's all rooted in this simple fact that just grew over the years. It doesn't even matter anymore because questioning Israel's right as an independent country is illogical. 

Not "the Jewish people", don't go all generalization on me. Zionism is not that simple and Israel was not the first and/or only choice for Zionists to go.

I'm not questioning Israel's right to be independent either btw. I'm just criticizing you for only shining light on one half of the issue, while refusing to talk about the other half. You've ignored the settlement expansion for two consecutive posts now. If anyone is showing their bias, it's you.

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Just now, PartySick said:

This argument has been puzzling me for a while now. I'm not too knowledgeable about the whole conflict, but I honestly don't understand how "we warn them" makes them any better. Like, they're still bombing civilians  and to throw a bit of my thinking into it, state sponsored terrorism is worse than attacks by terrorist organizations if you ask me. Just knowing my country helps Israel send bombs into people's houses just...blech...

That's not to excuse the actions on the "other side" but I come from a place of optimism which becomes unrealistic when human nature is thrown into the equation. I don't understand why they can't just sit down and settle their differences without killing each other...that's an immature view in some people's eyes but I'm not into pointing fingers or ridiculous conflict, especially at this scale.

It's sad that this woman was attacked. It's sad that all those people are dying, on both sides. I can't believe it actually matters to people to point out which one the bad guy is. There are no evil people! They're all being driven to this from a desperate or ignorant place. Who cares who started it? End it and stop spilling each other's blood for f*cks sake. Compromise is always possible if you act like an adult.

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Michael taught me at a young age to always be child like because it's the most pure way of thinking. You don't need to fight to get a resolution and there is no cause worth killing for.

 

The first ones who attacked Israel are the Arabs in 1948. Israel does not want to occupy the land- Israel just wants to be able to live peacefully without having the citizens stabbed by Palestinians on the street or having Gaza throw rockets over innocent civilians. These are the true reasons behind Israel's attacks.

One side is doing this out of defense and the other side is doing this because of hatred towards the Israeli state.

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2 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Why should I care enough to read your post if all you do is ignore the evidence I'm giving you? That's not how you discuss with people about these certain topics.

I don't care if you don't read, but others will. You keep repeating same lies, the PR stunt called "roof knocking" doesn't work and it's proven, IOF clearing itself from war crimes - proven.

You ignored all of that and then you ask me this? Irony.

 

 

36 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

IDF is an army with values.

 

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

There was just a case a month ago about some soldier that shot a Palestinian terrorist when he was harmless and that soldier was criticized by every possible general in the army and went to jail.

 

Only because it was caught on tape. The non-reaction of people around tells a lot. 

And he got out on holidays to spend with his family, something Palestinian prisoners, even children don't get.

Not to mention huge amount of support, calling him a hero, comforting his family. I like how you bolded "terrorist" part as if that justifies shooting unarmed person on the ground to head, in cold blood. 

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7 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

I don't care if you don't read, but others will. You keep repeating same lies, the PR stunt called "roof knocking" doesn't work and it's proven, IOF clearing itself from war crimes - proven.

You ignored all of that and then you ask me this? Irony.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only because it was caught on tape. The non-reaction of people around tells a lot. 

And he got out on holidays to spend with his family, something Palestinian prisoners, even children don't get.

Not to mention huge amount of support, calling him a hero, comforting his family. I like how you bolded "terrorist" part as if that justifies shooting unarmed person on the ground to head, in cold blood. 

 

Palestinian prisoners get a ****ing scholarship and great treatment.

You didn't respond to the videos I posted so I'm not going to bother and see yours.

I bolded "terrorist" because he was going to stab an innocent person and it's not that illogical to think that he deserves to die for his attempt of murder. However, what the soldier did was wrong under IDF rules because the terrorist was harmless when he was lying on the floor. The soldier was judged and punished for it and is going to jail so I don't give a **** if he spent time with his family- he's getting his punishment and I support the fact that he's being punished.

 

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10 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Israel does not want to occupy the land- Israel just wants to be able to live peacefully without having the citizens stabbed by Palestinians on the street or having Gaza throw rockets over innocent civilians. These are the true reasons behind Israel's attacks.

You just lost all credibility omfg I am actually howling

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20 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

eventually lost and ran way and are now called "Palestinians"

 

You mean expelled, right? over 700.000

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

http://imeu.org/article/faq-on-the-nakba-the-nakba-and-palestinian-refugees-today

 

Also Palestinians in quotation marks, another sign you deny their right of self determination, but you want them to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Interesting. 

 

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Just now, Didymus said:

You just lost all credibility omfg I am actually howling

Who are the first ones who attacked when Israel was announced?

Who are the ones who disagreed to every single land agreement throughout Israel's history?

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Isn't there enough violence in the world already, like did this need to happen? 

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4 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Who are the first ones who attacked when Israel was announced?

Who are the ones who disagreed to every single land agreement throughout Israel's history?

Who gives a **** respond to my far more important earlier reply you've ignored

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9 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

Palestinian prisoners get a ****ing scholarship and great treatment.

 

The delusion. Many prisoners were on hunger strikes because of abuse and inhumane conditions.

They interrogate underage children without lawyers or parents

 

I'm not surprised you won't watch, you were the one who skipped first evidences I posted about the war crimes.

Of course you don't give a **** that Israeli Jewish prisoners get much better treatment than Palestinian ones, what else is new...

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23 minutes ago, Ronlop said:

One side is doing this out of defense and the other side is doing this because of hatred towards the Israeli state.

 

Occupied side is doing things out of defense and desperation after decades of killings and oppression, the occupier keeps killing, oppressing and expending the land because it's "God's promised land"

Israel's new deputy foreign minister: 'This land is ours. All of it is ours'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/israels-new-deputy-foreign-minister-this-land-is-ours-all-of-it-is-ours

 

 

Really shocked they refused to share own land with the first European settlers. That's not excuse for ethnic cleansing and constant expansion. 

 

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12 minutes ago, YourSweet666 said:

 

Occupied side is doing things out of defense and desperation after decades of killings and oppression, the occupier keeps killing, oppressing and expending the land because it's "God's promised land"

Israel's new deputy foreign minister: 'This land is ours. All of it is ours'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/22/israels-new-deputy-foreign-minister-this-land-is-ours-all-of-it-is-ours

 

 

Really shocked they refused to share own land with the first European settlers. That's not excuse for ethnic cleansing and constant expansion. 

 

You make it sound European Jews were super privileged people 

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This circle of blood needs to end.

those 2 governments Netanyahu and Hamas should be gone as soon as possible. both are war criminals and as long as both of them are still exist we will never see any solution and people will die.

Few things:

1. a military will never be "the most humanitarian", no matter how many warnings or trying to kill less civilians as possible.. people will die, the purpose of a military is to kill, less to defend.

so if a rapist warns it's victim before the rape and later gives the victim a ride to home and reading them a bedtime story it makes the rapist a "humanitarian rapist"? I don't think so.. there's nothing humanitarian when you hurt people.

2. like I said many times before, this conflict is good for both Hamas and Netanyahu, it gives them power and money.

Netanyahu and Hamas doesn't care about their own people. if they cared they would throw the weapons away, sit and talk and make peace.

3. those media arguments are turning us against each other, it's becoming a media war, we are doing the same mistake that those 2 governments are doing. what we need to do is to work together, to promote peace. the first thing that we need to accept is that both sides are to blame and none of them is innocent.