outtahere 336 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I don't agree with her and I am for sure not a Hillary fan, but oh well. It's her perspective. At least we all get to choose who we vote for! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomingfree77 244 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I am just happy that she voted.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro 8,438 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Whispering said: Supporting a third party candidate is, in essence, a vote for Trump or Cruz. She's a Democrat anyway. This is why we have the two-party system, with mind-sets like these. Gaga isn't in a swing state - New York will be blue this year, regardless of the nomination. So, how will Gaga's choice for a third-party be a vote for Cruz or Trump? Spyro the Dragon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbriaWitch 325 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 10:40 PM, mattwiththehat said: Unfortunate. Atleast she's telling people to get out and vote. Bernie wins when there is high voter turnout. Are people still peddling this nonsensical myth? Do some research misinformed bernster, that has been DEBUNKED. High voter turnout doesn't necessarily favour Sanders. There was also high voter turnout for NY, and guess what? Oops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairofhk 931 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, UmbriaWitch said: Are people still peddling this nonsensical myth? Do some research misinformed bernster, that has been DEBUNKED. High voter turnout doesn't necessarily favour Sanders. There was also high voter turnout for NY, and guess what? Oops. NY was also a closed primary, which means 3 million independents and such were unable to vote, unless they switched to being a Democrat or Republican, 6 months ago, back in October. Sanders usually wins 65-70% of independents. Also,126,000 registered voters were removed from the voter rolls for no apparent reason in Brooklyn alone, which is where Sanders is from. Things to think about, perhaps. The whole primary contest is skewed, and has always been skewed in Clinton's favor. Trying to deny that makes you look highly naive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbriaWitch 325 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 minute ago, lairofhk said: NY was also a closed primary, which means 3 million independents and such were unable to vote, unless they switched to being a Democrat or Republican, 6 months ago, back in October. Sanders usually wins 65-70% of independents. Also,126,000 registered voters were removed from the voter rolls for no apparent reason in Brooklyn alone, which is where Sanders is from. Things to think about, perhaps. The whole primary contest is skewed, and has always been skewed in Clinton's favor. Trying to deny that makes you look highly naive. Okay and? NY didn't debunk the voter turnout myth, it was already refuted before then that high voter turnout actually doesn't favour Sanders, but yeah keep consoling yourself and screaming conspiracy at everything. The whole system really is against Sanders, poor thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairofhk 931 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 1 hour ago, UmbriaWitch said: Okay and? NY didn't debunk the voter turnout myth, it was already refuted before then that high voter turnout actually doesn't favour Sanders, but yeah keep consoling yourself and screaming conspiracy at everything. The whole system really is against Sanders, poor thing If it hadn't been a closed primary, the race would have been significantly tighter; there's absolutely no denying that. And, um, well he's running against someone who was first lady, senator of NY for 8 years (Senator of Wall Street is perhaps more fitting), as well as secretary of state. She's been a primary figure in the Democratic party for decades now. If you don't think having all the institutional and financial support she does has zero effect in terms of tilting the odds in her favor, you need to educate yourself, straight up. The cards are stacked against Sanders and have always been; the establishment candidate is the party favorite by default. Preserving the status quo is how the system operates. Rational, logical people should be able to at least somewhat understand that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 7 hours ago, lairofhk said: If it hadn't been a closed primary, the race would have been significantly tighter; there's absolutely no denying that. And, um, well he's running against someone who was first lady, senator of NY for 8 years (Senator of Wall Street is perhaps more fitting), as well as secretary of state. She's been a primary figure in the Democratic party for decades now. If you don't think having all the institutional and financial support she does has zero effect in terms of tilting the odds in her favor, you need to educate yourself, straight up. The cards are stacked against Sanders and have always been; the establishment candidate is the party favorite by default. Preserving the status quo is how the system operates. Rational, logical people should be able to at least somewhat understand that. It's almost like the Democratic Party and Democrats favor a candidate who is a Democrat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 9 hours ago, lairofhk said: NY was also a closed primary, which means 3 million independents and such were unable to vote, unless they switched to being a Democrat or Republican, 6 months ago, back in October. Sanders usually wins 65-70% of independents. Also,126,000 registered voters were removed from the voter rolls for no apparent reason in Brooklyn alone, which is where Sanders is from. Things to think about, perhaps. The whole primary contest is skewed, and has always been skewed in Clinton's favor. Trying to deny that makes you look highly naive. Hillary won Brooklyn in every voting location. Let's just jump in the Bernie world of magical thinking and pretend in our heads that Bernie won all 125K of those votes (even though some of them were for Republicans and the majority woukd have been for Hillary), he still would have come up way short in NY and he would still be losing the popular vote overall, the total delegate vote and eventually the upcoming nomination. Bernie has failed to get a majority of the popular vote or pledged state delegates. That's why he isn't going to get the nomination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Whispering said: It's almost like the Democratic Party and Democrats favor a candidate who is a Democrat. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbriaWitch 325 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 21 hours ago, lairofhk said: If it hadn't been a closed primary, the race would have been significantly tighter; there's absolutely no denying that. And, um, well he's running against someone who was first lady, senator of NY for 8 years (Senator of Wall Street is perhaps more fitting), as well as secretary of state. She's been a primary figure in the Democratic party for decades now. If you don't think having all the institutional and financial support she does has zero effect in terms of tilting the odds in her favor, you need to educate yourself, straight up. The cards are stacked against Sanders and have always been; the establishment candidate is the party favorite by default. Preserving the status quo is how the system operates. Rational, logical people should be able to at least somewhat understand that. Literally what does have to do with my original point, which is that it has been refuted that high voter turnout doesn't favour Sanders? Take your offtopic ranting and victim complex somewhere else please, it has nothing to do with my original post that you quoted, unless you have evidence that high voter turnout indeed does favour Sanders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittIe Monster 274 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 imagine she voted for trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno 79 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Although the politics aren't much of a subject of interest for me, but anyone that supports NATO and sees Putin as a threat are ok in by book... 4 hours ago, LittIe Monster said: imagine she voted for trump You have to have a hell lot of imagination... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I'm over the Bernie phase. I also just want election season to be done Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 5 hours ago, AlexanderLevi2 said: I'm over the Bernie phase. I also just want election season to be done You have seen the light Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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