Gaga votes for Clinton

[Morphine Prince 100,946]

Omg the essays you guys are posting on here. 

I have my popcorn out. 

[Bebe 16,696]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

Thanks again. I appreciate the articles.

It's important to note that the author of the article did not claim that Bernie Sanders' plans CAN'T happen in theory. The author said that in practice, experts agree that believe that he can make them come into fruition is without merit. 

Also the author did not say that Bernie claimed that he was for racism and incarceration so I'm not sure why you are linking those articles at the end. The author said that Bernie had said one thing and acted in another way hypocritically. Do you want to justify those or just use his talking points as a defense?

He can speak out forcefully all he want. Hillary speaks forcefully too. Both voted for the same bills that he is now denouncing her for.

The only difference is that she isn't the one attacking him for his past.

You aren't defending his integrity. 

The author said that they "could find none [experts] who believed Sanders’ numbers added up" and the response is a wealth of experts who believe that his numbers do add up.

The author claimed that Bernie was ignoring those issues and unwilling to have a conversation about those issues, instead wanting to slander Hillary's record. 


I mean the original article includes such crap as:

"Sanders is also hypocritical because he attacks Clinton for not being transparent, but has failed to disclose his tax returns, and both he and his wife, Jane, have lied about it when questioned. I don’t know why Sanders does not want to produce the tax returns, but simple-minded lying about why they have not produced them is a very poor reflex and suggests something is up. My suspicion is that their income and assets may be higher than they have let on, which no one would care about at all, but for the fact that he’s staked out this ground of moral superiority based on that supposed lack of assets — in other words, the returns are likely to reveal he has more than people think and may not be in the 95%."

Which looks embarrassing, highly biased and misinformed now he has released his tax returns...

Bernie's integrity is fine, he isn't the one who represents the establishment and corporate America
He is the one who is rejecting big money and is staying true to the principles he has held even before the nominations started.

[FATCAT 58,607]

10 hours ago, Whispering said:

Regular 9 to 5 Americans are voting for Hillary in droves. Minorities and women are her main demographic and that's what you have to have to win a Democratic nomination....and actually the presidency. 

This wasn't about Hillary. See "Gaga" above.

[Bebe 16,696]

13 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Omg the essays you guys are posting on here. 

I have my popcorn out. 

Unfortunately it has to end haha.

I have to finish a lit review tonight on "The Aesthetic Differences Between Silent Film and Sound Film" and I've been distracted by conversation here. 

Unfortunately I don't think it was going to end in an actual debate on the issues and comparison of both democratic nominees so I don't see much point anyway.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

28 minutes ago, Bebe said:

*snip*

Too much cherry-picking in your responses. Why are you focusing on the opinion pieces while failing to actually counter the factual parts?

Author says he is hypocritical regarding crime actions -> defend his speeches

Author says he can't find any experts that say the numbers add up IN REALITY -> Talk about hypotheticals

Author mentions he doesn't draft his own bills -> bring up his sponsoring of bills as if that is relevant.

Author mentions he doesn't compromise where necessary -> bring up examples of compromise where it suited him.

Tell me how his campaign is NOT about how he is better than Hillary? Literally every talking point is exactly that (us vs establishment), while Hillary's is less about Bernie and more about how she's better against the Republicans. He's literally attacking both Democrats and Republicans without giving a rats ass about what's at stake.

Frankly the entire article is focused on how hypocritical Sanders is in his dealings and you have failed to defend any of those points, focusing on tangential issues regarding particular points that you deem "worthy' of talking about.

There is no functional integrity to speak of. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

35 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Omg the essays you guys are posting on here. 

I have my popcorn out. 

I appreciate that poster's responses. At least he's trying, and some of the articles he linked were enlightening and made me feel a bit better about Sanders. 

I honestly did not expect to have such a reaction after reading that article I linked you. I guess a part of me wanted to believe in him.

[Bebe 16,696]

1 hour ago, LebaneseDude said:

Too much cherry-picking in your responses. Why are you focusing on the opinion pieces while failing to actually counter the fact parts?

Author says he is hypocritical regarding crime actions -> defend his speeches

Author says he can't find any experts that say the numbers add up IN REALITY -> Talk about hypotheticals

Tell me how his campaign is NOT about how he is better than Hillary? Literally every talking point is that, while Hillary's is less about Bernie and more about how she's better against the Republicans.

Frankly the entire article is focused on how hypocritical Sanders is in his dealings and you have failed to defend any of those points.

There is no functional integrity to speak of. 

It's alright though. I expected as much.

What facts??? What facts do you want me to counter??? I see none. All I see is misinformation. You say I'm cherry picking, but in an article that's 5 pages you are kinda forced to a little. What issue do you have? I'll clarify.

Author literally says it would be more productive to have conversations about "the role of systemic racism in mass incarceration, and a proposed set of recommendations and legislation to correct it now" > Bernie Sanders trying to lead conversations about the role of systemic racism in mass incarceration, while proposing recommendations and legislative ideas to correct it now.

WTF do you mean by "Author says he can't find any experts that say the numbers add up IN REALITY"? The articles I link talk about how "according to other healthcare experts, both Clinton and Thorpe are working with false calculations." and how "numbers on single-payer do, in fact, add up." The criticism aimed at Bernie is that the math doesn't add up, the calculations and the costs don't match. I have provided links showing you that the math DOES add up. It's not based on anything hypothetical...

Author mentions he doesn't draft his own bills -> points out that this means nothing? Sponsoring of bills is the most relevant point when it comes to passing legislation. Points out that Hillary drafted less bills and was less effective in passing legislation.

Author claims "legislation cannot be passed without compromise" -> brings up examples of how Bernie has been able to compromise with both sides to actually pass legislation beneficial to people. Points out he has been the most effective in the house of representatives in passing legislation. 

@LebaneseDude added these two points as you edited your post

His apparent "Hypocrisy" is not the whole article, it's 1/5th of the article.?

"Tell me how his campaign is NOT about how he is better than Hillary? Literally every talking point is that, while Hillary's is less about Bernie and more about how she's better against the Republicans."

This doesn't make any sense? It's a democratic primary. Hilary talks nonstop about how she is better than Bernie and vice-versa. They are not having a conversation about how they are both the best or how the other candidate is better.... Bernie has also talked about the fact that in national polls he leads Trump and others by a larger margin than Hilary (ie. How he is better against the Republicans).

[Sister 9,907]

We have always known that Gaga would vote for Hillary Clinton.

[Whispering 18,865]

3 hours ago, brendablethyn said:

Bernie can use his position as VP to promote left wing causes.

You're kidding, right? A VP is a figurehead. He would be better off staying in the Senate, if he wanted to push his causes. Maybe he could get more done now, than than name post offices. Lol

[Whispering 18,865]

59 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

This wasn't about Hillary. See "Gaga" above.

It was about Gaga voting for Hillary. I'm not sure why it is important for Gaga to work 9 to 5 to support Hillary or not? People from all income levels support both the democratic nominees. 

[Bebe 16,696]

6 minutes ago, Whispering said:

You're kidding, right? A VP is a figurehead. He would be better off staying in the Senate, if he wanted to push his causes. Maybe he could get more done now, than than name post offices. Lol

That was Hillary. She sponsored 3 bills in 8 years that became law.  

One of them was this:
S. 3613: A bill to name a post office the “Major George Quamo Post Office Building.” Bush signed the bill Oct. 6, 2006.

The real way to sort out who is getting stuff done is through Co-sponsored bills. Hillary co-sponsored 73 bills that were enacted compared to Bernie who co-sponsored 203 bills.

Hillary also sponsored 3 amendments on a bill.  In comparison Bernie is known as "The Amendment King"  Here is a list of Bernie's legislative inventory:

https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/

Interestingly

"Congress is not known to be a progressive institution lately, to say the least. Over the past few decades, the House of Representatives was only controlled by the Democrats from 2007 to 2010, and a flood of corporate money has quieted the once-powerful progressive movement that passed legislation moving the country forward between the New Deal era and the Great Society. Yet, as difficult as it may be to believe, a socialist from Vermont is one of its most accomplished members. 

Bernie Sanders was first elected to the House of Representatives in 1990, and many immediately doubted his efficacy. “It is virtually impossible for an independent to be effective in the House,” said then-Congressman Bill Richardson (D-NM). “As an independent you are kind of a homeless waif.”"

"Amendments in the House of Representatives are often seen as secondary vehicles to legislation that individual members sponsor, but they are an important way to move resources and build bipartisan coalitions to change the direction of the law. Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders.

Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans."

(http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you)

Seems like he was already getting a lot done 

[Whispering 18,865]

46 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

I appreciate that poster's responses. At least he's trying, and some of the articles he linked were enlightening and made me feel a bit better about Sanders. 

I honestly did not expect to have such a reaction after reading that article I linked you. I guess a part of me wanted to believe in him.

Yeah, I've seen articles and comments about these types of inconsistencies for a little while now. Bernie really hasn't been vetted in the media or by anyone else. All these kids believing he was some kind of messiah and sending in their food allowance for the week, so he could take a trip to Italy with nine family members on a private jet for 400,000 dollars. That alone was against FEC regulations. 

His true colors started coming out when he started thinking he could win this nomination. Even that letter about the financial spending of the DNC, (which is one hundred per cent legal) while his campaign is under four different investigations by the FEC...and he won't release his tax forms. If they really are on turbo tax, they can get pulled up at anytime with a password and printed from anywhere. Everyone knows that, but people gave him a pass, like they've done on almost everything else. 

Oh well, at least it is all water under the bridge now. I'm hoping he takes a day or two and thinks about the possible repercussions of running a campaign like the one he has had over the last month and goes back to preaching and pushing his big ideas. His campaign did better when he did that, anyhow. 

[Whispering 18,865]

11 hours ago, Spyro said:

Well, I didn't say she had to support a candidate on the two-party system..

Supporting a third party candidate is, in essence, a vote for Trump or Cruz. 

She's a Democrat anyway. 

[JoanneMonster 8,476]

I can't at you guys saying that Gaga voting for Hilary will affect LG5's sales, I mean nobody gives a sh*t about Gaga's vote. 

 

[teo 609]

53 minutes ago, monster30 said:

I can't at you guys saying that Gaga voting for Hilary will affect LG5's sales, I mean nobody gives a sh*t about Gaga's vote.

 

Tbh.Our fan base is known for being overdramatic, but this is on another level. Let the girl vote for whoever she wants.

 

And the fact that y'all developed a cult of personality around Sanders that supposedly let's you claim the moral high ground and declare anyone who doesn't stand behind him enemy of the proletariat is highly disturbing.