New York Primary

[Voltaire 4,531]

18 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Each state has its own rules. Citizens of each state should be aware of their own state rules. Being ignorant is no excuse.

Stop defending people's right to be ignorant. 

 

Awareness  of a rule, doesn't necessarily mean that it is any more or less a suppressive rule. 

The goal of a democracy should be to remove as many barriers as possible to the voting process. Maximum efficiency, maximum accessibility, maximum transparency, maximum integrity. 

[Brainiac 11,171]

20 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

Each state has its own rules. Citizens of each state should be aware of their own state rules. Being ignorant is no excuse.

Stop defending people's right to be ignorant. 

 

I'm not defending anything. I'm stating my opinion that I think it's ridiculous to have a deadline for affiliation change that far ahead in advance.

You're not going to tell me it isn't designed with the intended purpose of decreasing voter turnout. That's the only logical reason why something like that would be in place. To protect "establishment" candidates.

I've lived in this state my whole life wasn't aware of that deadline. They make it difficult to find on purpose. 

[ctherainbow 3,162]

18 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Awareness  of a rule, doesn't necessarily mean that it is any more or less a suppressive rule. 

The goal of a democracy should be to remove as many barriers as possible to the voting process. Maximum efficiency, maximum accessibility, maximum transparency, maximum integrity. 

But how is it so difficult to find out when to register?  I Googled "Pennsylvania primary registration", and the first result was a website that showed types of elections, how to register, and showed the deadline to vote right on the first page.  If someone can't be bothered to Google how to register to vote when they turn 18 and become eligible, then they honestly shouldn't even be voting.

Edit:  The New York state website, which I again found through Google, has all the registration deadlines right on the website.  This information is not hard to find.    http://www.elections.ny.gov/VotingDeadlines.html

Edit #2:  Literally the second result when I Googled "New York deadline to change party" was this.  http://www.nyccfb.info/about/calendar/change-party-enrollment-deadline-2016-elections

[Voltaire 4,531]

Just now, ctherainbow said:

But how is it so difficult to find out when to register?  I Googled "Pennsylvania primary registration", and the first result was a website that showed types of elections, how to register, and showed the deadline to vote right on the first page.  If someone can't be bothered to Google how to register to vote when they turn 18 and become eligible, then they honestly shouldn't even be voting.

I'll restate my original premise to make my stance as clear as possible, because I understand what you're saying- I just disagree. 

The goal of a democracy should be to remove as many barriers as possible to the voting process. Maximum efficiency, maximum accessibility, maximum transparency, maximum integrity.

If a vibrant democracy is our goal, it shouldn't be about questions like "how hard is it to stand on one leg and state your name three times?" It isn't hard. It's totally doable. I can do it right now. It's that we know, clearly, that there are easier, more efficient, less cumbersome ways to allow more people to vote, more easily, with more transparency, etc etc...

It's starting with the right goal in mind. If I get a drivers license or state ID in Georgia, that means I'm already in the state database. It means I should be automatically registered to vote as soon as I turn 18. The state has ALL the information it needs. All of it. Why require an additional document? That first step alone is already silly when it comes to what SHOULD be a clear goal of the great UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, lover of Democracy! 

the last statement you made: "then they honestly shouldn't even be voting." Is the opposite of what my stance is. I believe the USA should always, at its core, celebrate and strengthen its democracy. We should have every Harvard grad voting. We should have every doctor and lawyer voting. Every farmer and student voting. Every entrepreneur. Every couch potato. We should have every numb-nut and idiot voting. We should have every teenager and grandma voting. We should have every American citizen voting and at all times all americans should be QUESTIONING our system and asking:

Does it: remove as many barriers as possible to the voting process. Maximum efficiency, maximum accessibility, maximum transparency, maximum integrity.

If the answer is that it could be MORE of any of those things, at the expense of none, we should make a change. 

[Morphine Prince 109,766]

14 minutes ago, ctherainbow said:

But how is it so difficult to find out when to register?  I Googled "Pennsylvania primary registration", and the first result was a website that showed types of elections, how to register, and showed the deadline to vote right on the first page.  If someone can't be bothered to Google how to register to vote when they turn 18 and become eligible, then they honestly shouldn't even be voting.

Edit:  The New York state website, which I again found through Google, has all the registration deadlines right on the website.  This information is not hard to find.    http://www.elections.ny.gov/VotingDeadlines.html

To be fair I don't see October 2015 listed as a deadline for the party affiliation change. 

[Morphine Prince 109,766]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

If I get a drivers license or state ID in Georgia, that means I'm already in the state database. It means I should be automatically registered to vote as soon as I turn 18. The state has ALL the information it needs. All of it. Why require an additional document? That first step alone is already silly when it comes to what SHOULD be a clear goal of the great UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, lover of Democracy! 

In Texas when you get a Driver's License there's a box on the form that says if you would like to be registered to vote. 

[ctherainbow 3,162]

Just now, Morphine Prince said:

To be fair I don't see October 2015 listed as a deadline for the party affiliation change. 

It's not, and that is definitely something that should be added, but check my Edit #2 to the post you quoted.   

[Morphine Prince 109,766]

1 minute ago, ctherainbow said:

It's not, and that is definitely something that should be added, but check my Edit #2 to the post you quoted.   

Lmao. Well, maybe some might not know there even is a deadline to change party.

But again, this all comes down to ignorance. If people were interested in voting in the first place they would've looked into this information LONG AGO. 

All of us who actually care looked all of this up and did it on time.

[Morphine Prince 109,766]

People in the past fought hard so that we could ALL have the right to vote. People literally DIED for YOUR right to vote. The LEAST you could do is be informed on basic rules in the voting process for your state. 

Sorry. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

31 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Awareness  of a rule, doesn't necessarily mean that it is any more or less a suppressive rule. 

The goal of a democracy should be to remove as many barriers as possible to the voting process. Maximum efficiency, maximum accessibility, maximum transparency, maximum integrity. 

You continue to defend ignorance.

Those who want to participate can figure it out, either via proper searches or simply asking other people.

You're implying they don't have access, when that isn't further from the truth. The rules are there. The regulations are there. They can pick up a phone, use the Internet, or personally go to the places to figure it out.

What you're asking for is nothing less than catering to the millenial demographic that only bothers to do something when it's stuffed in their face. What you want is maximum convenience and minimum effort. 

[Morphine Prince 109,766]

2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

What you're asking for is nothing less than catering to the millenial demographic that only bothers to do something when it's stuffed in their face.

This is 100% accurate about many in the current generation of young adults. 

[Voltaire 4,531]

Just now, LebaneseDude said:

You continue to defend ignorance.

Those who want to participate can figure it out, either via proper searches or simply asking other people.

You're implying they don't have access, when that isn't further from the truth.

What you're asking for is nothing less than catering to the millenial demographic that only bothers to do something when it's stuffed in their face.

Sit down.

Ahhh no. I clearly said that "Awareness  of a rule, doesn't necessarily mean that it is any more or less a suppressive rule."

As in, I know clearly what I need to do to vote. I do it. I vote. But that doesn't mean that the system runs in the way that it ought to. It doesn't mean that there are not rules that work counter to the principles of a vibrant, participative, and transparent democracy. 

I do not need to sit down. I have a pretty clear point: remove as many barriers to voting as possible. If you appreciate business at all, you'll know that every POS system seeks to make the purchasing of an item as quick and easy as to increase sales. The virtues of good business know how to make an efficient system encourage as much participation as possible. The virtues of a vibrant democracy should too. 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

remove as many barriers to voting as possible. 

I don't disagree, but you're inventing barriers that don't exist to justify some position.

[ctherainbow 3,162]

24 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I'll restate my original premise to make my stance as clear as possible, because I understand what you're saying- I just disagree. 

The goal of a democracy should be to remove as many barriers as possible to the voting process. Maximum efficiency, maximum accessibility, maximum transparency, maximum integrity.

If a vibrant democracy is our goal, it shouldn't be about questions like "how hard is it to stand on one leg and state your name three times?" It isn't hard. It's totally doable. I can do it right now. It's that we know, clearly, that there are easier, more efficient, less cumbersome ways to allow more people to vote, more easily, with more transparency, etc etc...

It's starting with the right goal in mind. If I get a drivers license or state ID in Georgia, that means I'm already in the state database. It means I should be automatically registered to vote as soon as I turn 18. The state has ALL the information it needs. All of it. Why require an additional document? That first step alone is already silly when it comes to what SHOULD be a clear goal of the great UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, lover of Democracy! 

the last statement you made: "then they honestly shouldn't even be voting." Is the opposite of what my stance is. I believe the USA should always, at its core, celebrate and strengthen its democracy. We should have every Harvard grad voting. We should have every doctor and lawyer voting. Every farmer and student voting. Every entrepreneur. Every couch potato. We should have every numb-nut and idiot voting. We should have every teenager and grandma voting. We should have every American citizen voting and at all times all americans should be QUESTIONING our system and asking:

Does it: remove as many barriers as possible to the voting process. Maximum efficiency, maximum accessibility, maximum transparency, maximum integrity.

If the answer is that it could be MORE of any of those things, at the expense of none, we should make a change. 

Well, responding to this is gonna take me even further off-topic, but it's worth it.   xD

So, let me just start off with the fact that the US does not have a history of allowing everyone to vote.  Women, minorities, even non-landowners at times have been denied the vote, and while I don't agree that anyone should be denied the opportunity to vote, same-day registration is an absolutely disastrous idea.  What this does is remove any incentive to prepare for one of the most important things you can do as a citizen of your country; choose your future leaders.  Same-day registration gives people who may have seen a physically attractive candidate the ability to run out and vote for them because they're hot.  Having advance deadlines ensures that those who actually care enough(who are also usually those who bother to be informed about the candidates), vote, and those who vote on whims do not.  And ya know what?  That's a fantastic thing.

You seem to be misinformed.  The goal of a democracy is not to ensure that everyone votes.  The goal of a democracy is to ensure that the government is one elected by the people, that is responsive to the people, and as far as voting goes, that allows everyone a reasonable opportunity to vote.  I could understand being upset about voter registration deadlines if you had to drive your horse and carriage 10 miles out to the local party office only to find you were too late, but if you can't be bothered to do a quick Google search to find out before you turn 18, then you shouldn't be voting.  Period.

Also, just wondering, but your post refers to "we" and "our" when talking about America, but your location says Bangladesh.  What gives?    :P

[ctherainbow 3,162]

10 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

You continue to defend ignorance.

Those who want to participate can figure it out, either via proper searches or simply asking other people.

You're implying they don't have access, when that isn't further from the truth. The rules are there. The regulations are there. They can pick up a phone, use the Internet, or personally go to the places to figure it out.

What you're asking for is nothing less than catering to the millenial demographic that only bothers to do something when it's stuffed in their face. What you want is maximum convenience and minimum effort. 

 

Leave Lebanon and come help me fix America, please.