Madonna pulls an 16 yo girl's top down at her Brisbane show

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12 hours ago, LORD GAGA said:

The people trying to defend this act are just as bad as the people overreacting about it, it was a mistake and shouldn't have happened, but it is still messy and slightly disturbing. Those who are defending it seem to be the same people that think the sun shines out of madonnas ass... Case closed

 

You're one of them, it seems. You're in all her threads 

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9 hours ago, AgusPop said:

Relevance for  being an embarrassment? No, thanks, my Fave is Ok being relevant for being talented and kind

I know right. And I love that about Gaga, but I also like the way Madonna stays relevant. She's a crazy bitch. Some people like black, some like white, some like both, some like it grey.

Why can't we just get THAT?

Why does everyone have to come bash Madonna for everything she does.

Why is there some Madge stans that ahve to put Gaga down to defend Madonna? Like the guy that's like rain in winter. It's all so ridiculous.

And not mention the ones that keep it low-profiled. Like that guys who has a heart of human bat, or the person who's saying things silently... Liking every bad comment about madge... It's all so embarrassing.

YA'LL will this ever stop?

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If it was a man pulling a  16yo top everyone who's defending Dinodonna in this thread would be bitchin' and saying that all men are rapists and sh*t like that 

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This "Walking with Dinosaurs" live show it's getting tacky 

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It's so silly to say "If Madonna was a man, this would be wrong", well, of course it'd be wrong. Because it would be a man exposing a woman. But Madonna is not a man, it was a woman exposing another woman's boob. It's funny, it's a joke, I don't mean it is the nicest or most civilized thing to do but everyone has to light up!

If a man pulls down another man's pants in front of people, everyone laughs. My father and uncles have done that to me, it is embarrasing and not so very cool but in the way I was exposed to people, not in the way I believe they are sexually harrasing me.

Some people here would do anything to drag Madonna.

Listen to the "abused girl" instead!

She seems to be the happiest!

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8 hours ago, AJH219 said:

Elderly? She's not even 60? Of course, what other type of reply can I expect from the typical members of GGD who constantly resort to misgogny and ageism to bash women constantly. 

Its not ageism... and in comparison to the majority of the members on ggd and the girl who's top she pulled down, she is elderly, not to be funny but some people have grandmothers younger than madonna... being older isn't an insult, its just a factor in this case, so get off your 'butthurt by everything ever' seat and get a grip. Putting everyone into the same 'box' on here just because you don't agree with them and then causing them of misgogny and ageism to go on an unfounded tumblr like feminism rant is nothing short of moronic. FYI the average human life span is 71 years old... so to call madonna elderly is nothing short of accurate, not an insult.

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7 hours ago, AcidPop said:

You're one of them, it seems. You're in all her threads 

you caught me

 

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49 minutes ago, LORD GAGA said:

FYI the average human life span is 71 years old

Its actually 81 years for women.

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On 18/03/2016 at 6:32 PM, VampireHeart said:

 

I'm wondering if everyone got it, it's British slang, right?

Yeah. Pulling someone means to kiss them, in a sexual way that is. I think Australians might use it too. I never liked the term. And pairing it with "slap on the ass" makes it even worse. You've basically just said: "This is the kind of girl who you would use as a sex object."

10 hours ago, AcidPop said:

It's so silly to say "If Madonna was a man, this would be wrong", well, of course it'd be wrong. Because it would be a man exposing a woman. But Madonna is not a man, it was a woman exposing another woman's boob. It's funny, it's a joke, I don't mean it is the nicest or most civilized thing to do but everyone has to light up!

If a man pulls down another man's pants in front of people, everyone laughs. My father and uncles have done that to me, it is embarrasing and not so very cool but in the way I was exposed to people, not in the way I believe they are sexually harrasing me.

There is so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin. You're a guy. And a lot of guys don't seem to understand how women can be offended and why it hurts us so much. Let me get this straight - it's only wrong if it's a man doing it? How does that work out? Surely, anyone touching you without your permission is wrong? It's double standards but the only double standards people want to call out is the sleeping around idea, every other double standard is fine, apparently. The fact you don't see a woman exposing another woman as wrong is absolutely shocking. Being told to lighten up is something women deal with constantly in so many situations. It's a way of silencing us, telling us we're silly to feel emotion, being told by society to just put up with it. There is nothing lighthearted about exposing someone in public and it doesn't make you a prude for thinking so.

Now, I don't agree with the idea that pulling down men's pants is funny. I don't think anyone should be doing it, male or female. But at least it only exposes their underwear - it's not proper indecent exposure involving nudity. Plus, male nudity works different from female nudity. You can show male buttocks and have it be acceptable but for women, it's explicit. You don't find it embarrassing because men aren't taught to feel protected over certain areas like women are. Female bodies are a lot more "sacred" than male bodies, as it were. Maybe that's not right but the point is, it's how our society works. Exposing intimate parts of a woman's body is a serious thing and can be dealt with very seriously, so doing it for a joke could land you in serious trouble.

I really doesn't make any difference to me if the girl was ok with it or not. She's 17 - at her age, you can have a very uneducated view on how the world works and think something is ok but then change your mind about it later. I mean, I thought being overtly sexual helped feminism until I was 15 and got enlightened. And I also thought p*rn was fine until I was 18 and became enlightened. Our views can change rapidly at that age. She's young and full of fun and likely doesn't realise the implications of what happened and what this means for women at large by laughing it off. We need to make clear that this is unacceptable or it'll keep on happening. It's behaviour like this that make men believe they have a right to feel up a woman in a club or put their hands all over a stripper. Society teaches us that women's bodies are a free for all and it's just a bit of fun. It's not, it's humiliating and damaging.

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48 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yeah. Pulling someone means to kiss them, in a sexual way that is. I think Australians might use it too. I never liked the term. And pairing it with "slap on the ass" makes it even worse. You've basically just said: "This is the kind of girl who you would use as a sex object."

There is so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin. You're a guy. And a lot of guys don't seem to understand how women can be offended and why it hurts us so much. Let me get this straight - it's only wrong if it's a man doing it? How does that work out? Surely, anyone touching you without your permission is wrong? It's double standards but the only double standards people want to call out is the sleeping around idea, every other double standard is fine, apparently. The fact you don't see a woman exposing another woman as wrong is absolutely shocking. Being told to lighten up is something women deal with constantly in so many situations. It's a way of silencing us, telling us we're silly to feel emotion, being told by society to just put up with it. There is nothing lighthearted about exposing someone in public and it doesn't make you a prude for thinking so.

Now, I don't agree with the idea that pulling down men's pants is funny. I don't think anyone should be doing it, male or female. But at least it only exposes their underwear - it's not proper indecent exposure involving nudity. Plus, male nudity works different from female nudity. You can show male buttocks and have it be acceptable but for women, it's explicit. You don't find it embarrassing because men aren't taught to feel protected over certain areas like women are. Female bodies are a lot more "sacred" than male bodies, as it were. Maybe that's not right but the point is, it's how our society works. Exposing intimate parts of a woman's body is a serious thing and can be dealt with very seriously, so doing it for a joke could land you in serious trouble.

I really doesn't make any difference to me if the girl was ok with it or not. She's 17 - at her age, you can have a very uneducated view on how the world works and think something is ok but then change your mind about it later. I mean, I thought being overtly sexual helped feminism until I was 15 and got enlightened. And I also thought p*rn was fine until I was 18 and became enlightened. Our views can change rapidly at that age. She's young and full of fun and likely doesn't realise the implications of what happened and what this means for women at large by laughing it off. We need to make clear that this is unacceptable or it'll keep on happening. It's behaviour like this that make men believe they have a right to feel up a woman in a club or put their hands all over a stripper. Society teaches us that women's bodies are a free for all and it's just a bit of fun. It's not, it's humiliating and damaging.

Then your opinion is truly pointless. You don't get to decide what this young woman can and cannot be offended about. 

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43 minutes ago, AJH219 said:

Then your opinion is truly pointless. You don't get to decide what this young woman can and cannot be offended about. 

As women, we get told our opinions are pointless all the time - think about that before claiming that you're taking a feminist stance. I'm not saying that I should decide how she feels, just that I'd hoped for better. And I'm just saying that her reaction to it, which is being put out there into the media, could affect how we judge cases like this in the future. We have a tendency as humans to follow the crowd and believe because one person of a group is fine with something, everyone from that group is too. Because one woman didn't think it was a big deal, more people are likely to think all women regard this as no big deal. Hence, we think any woman who overreacts to getting her top pulled down in the future should make like that girl at Madonna's show and just find it funny and no big deal. I can't tell you how much this makes me, a feminist, fill with sadness and anger. So many women put up with being sexually harassed because, despite their reservations, believe it's normal. This was our chance to put sexual harassment in the media and make it clear that it's not ok and make more females feel able to report it and what do we get? The victim finds it funny and no big deal. *facepalm as equality is halted yet again*

And let's make something clear - I'm not saying this to bash Madonna. I'd give anyone who'd done this the same treatment. If Gaga invited me on stage, made this comment to me (which would make my face lose its smile) and then pull my top down, exposing my bare breast to the crowd with camera phones, no joke, I would probably start to cry. And I'd go home and question if I should remain a fan. And if I got interviewed by the media about it, I'd state that I think Gaga's a great artist but what she did was unacceptable and that no one should stand for it.

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1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

As women, we get told our opinions are pointless all the time - think about that before claiming that you're taking a feminist stance. I'm not saying that I should decide how she feels, just that I'd hoped for better. And I'm just saying that her reaction to it, which is being put out there into the media, could affect how we judge cases like this in the future. We have a tendency as humans to follow the crowd and believe because one person of a group is fine with something, everyone from that group is too. Because one woman didn't think it was a big deal, more people are likely to think all women regard this as no big deal. Hence, we think any woman who overreacts to getting her top pulled down in the future should make like that girl at Madonna's show and just find it funny and no big deal. I can't tell you how much this makes me, a feminist, fill with sadness and anger. So many women put up with being sexually harassed because, despite their reservations, believe it's normal. This was our chance to put sexual harassment in the media and make it clear that it's not ok and make more females feel able to report it and what do we get? The victim finds it funny and no big deal. *facepalm as equality is halted yet again*

And let's make something clear - I'm not saying this to bash Madonna. I'd give anyone who'd done this the same treatment. If Gaga invited me on stage, made this comment to me (which would make my face lose its smile) and then pull my top down, exposing my bare breast to the crowd with camera phones, no joke, I would probably start to cry. And I'd go home and question if I should remain a fan. And if I got interviewed by the media about it, I'd state that I think Gaga's a great artist but what she did was unacceptable and that no one should stand for it.

Still, at the end of The day, You don't decide what is right or wrong or moral or whatever. Its Her, ful stop. You can give an general opinion and thats fine, but it has no meaning in this matter what so ever. Only her opnion matters.

Besides, you have quite weird concept of morals, sexuality, feminismin, nudity etc. Which is quite obvious from many of your previous posts. Its ofcourse perfectly allright though most have very very differentviews, including me. 

Please don't Take any offence. I didnt mean anything bad. Just that sometimes your views are written in a way that it seems you make your view to be some kind of general or popular view, "the ultimate/one and only truth" and its not. 

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7 minutes ago, Snow said:

Still, at the end of The day, You don't decide what is right or wrong or moral or whatever. Its Her, ful stop. You can give an general opinion and thats fine, but it has no meaning in this matter what so ever. Only her opnion matters.

Besides, you have quite weird concept of morals, sexuality, feminismin, nudity etc. Which is quite obvious from many of your previous posts. Its ofcourse perfectly allright though most have very very differentviews, including me. 

Please don't Take any offence. I didnt mean anything bad. Just that sometimes your views are written in a way that it seems you make your view to be some kind of general or popular view, "the ultimate/one and only truth" and its not. 

Problem is, we focus too much on one person's opinion on these matters. And we attribute it to the whole group that person belongs to. If you go online, the overwhelming consensus is that this was unacceptable behaviour. A million people saying it's wrong vs. one saying it's not...I think she's overruled. I hope this girl gives the reaction some food for thought. It's clear she doesn't know what's good for her. I mean, if she looks as old as she does at 17 and considering how she's dressed and posing on social media, she's probably done some things she shouldn't and grew up too fast.

I don't think my concept of morals, sexuality, feminism and nudity is weird at all. It's the rest of society who I think is weird for being so uncaring about dignity and keeping things private and people's feelings. I don't like how we have to live in a society that thinks you're weird for wanting sex to be private and for everyone to get treated with respect. I'm really not the prude you seem to think I am. I'm fully supportive of sexuality (would I be a Gaga fan if I wasn't?), I just think it should be kept private and any public forms of it should be kept classy. I am also a big believer in not reducing people to sex objects. That's all. I tend to put down my views very confidently because the "ultimate and one and only truth" as you put it, is that raunch is the way to go and that women are being ridiculous by protesting against it. It's hammered into us as the only way to be in modern society. I aim to tell people that there is another way.

And by the way, there's ways that public nudity can be no big deal. For example, if my bare breast rolled out accidentially in public, I'd pull it back in, laugh and see it as a funny story to tell later (and that has happened to me). But if someone pulled it down on purpose, without my permission, while people were in the process of filming the whole thing on camera, it would be one of the most humiliating, degrading experiences. Context and intention are so important. And for the record, I was sexually harassed for over a year at school and was so hesitant to report it, so that's why I encourage women to stand up when it happens to them and not be scared like I was. Also, do you have any idea of the amount of women who are sexually harassed, assaulted and raped every year and never tell anyone about it? I've got the statistics - it would shock you. We don't report it because we think it won't be taken seriously. And if women go on a public platform and proudly say that getting their top pulled down without their permission was a great experience, it only further extends the struggle to get women to report when something similar happens to them. I sometimes think men have no idea of the way women suffer in secret and how this stuff damages us. So many people claim to support feminism without really knowing what it means.

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When you make fun of Madonna pulling down a girl's top by accident but your faves take nudes on a daily basis..

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A. This was not an accident. Madonna is very very very intelligent. She knew what she was doing and only made it sound like an accident after the fact so that she could play innocent. 

B. It doesn't matter if the girl was okay with having her body exposed or not. Madonna didn't care how the girl felt about it. Just another example of Madonna violating other people and making them out to be little more than disposable play things for her amusement. 

C. Madonnas constant attempts to keep herself in the limelight are very sad. All she does is play the media. Her actual artistic output these days gets no attention. This is why her career continues to be tainted for the last few years. Its getting worse and worse.