Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Gaga is supporting K$ right to produce music away from Dr. Luke... He took advantage of her niavity and signed her to a detrimental contract whereby she is mostly slave labor. The rape issue imo is separate and given the fact that she had admitted in open court with her legal team around her that the event never happened, it's a civil matter, separate from her problem with Sony. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 8 hours ago, gagaboy94 said: i really dont like her behaviour, what if luke's innocent? whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty... I agree she had every right to support kesha and believe her, but she shouldnt say anything against luke at this point She is supporting someone who claims to have been abused. You are supporting a man who has been accused of rape. Don't be such a hypocrite. She has not even mentioned Dr Luke. Only YOU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 8 hours ago, iAdrian97 said: Queen of bandwagoning No, that's you. Grow the **** up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayo 300 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 i dont like ggd anymore, proving again why u guys cant think on your own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 9 hours ago, gagaboy94 said: i really dont like her behaviour, what if luke's innocent? whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty... I agree she had every right to support kesha and believe her, but she shouldnt say anything against luke at this point Does him being innocent excuse the other confirmed cases of his shittiness? I'm on the side of not calling him a rapist because we genuinely do not know if he is innocent or guilty, but even without that I'd say he's been enough of a jerk and been a nightmare of a person enough to work with to justify Sony hiring a more reasonable producer to take his place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayo 300 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Just now, Kayla said: Does him being innocent excuse the other confirmed cases of his shittiness? I'm on the side of not calling him a rapist because we genuinely do not know if he is innocent or guilty, but even without that I'd say he's been enough of a jerk and been a nightmare of a person enough to work with to justify Sony hiring a more reasonable producer to take his place. this is what i feel too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Just now, gagaboy94 said: this is what i feel too Sorry if you already clarified this earlier in the thread; I'm noticing quite a few people quoted you already! I'm just getting started reading the responses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabexuela 1,184 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 8 hours ago, gagaboy94 said: I just wrote what I felt was gaga's message all along, gaga was never a blind feminist. In TIHTY the message was that the onlookers should offer unconditional support to the victim, and not question her/him like what were u doing with him etc etc... They should believe the victim and help them file appropriate actions / lawsuits and help them emotionally recover. I dont think anywhere the message was lets grab pitchforks and burn the "Alleged rapist". Dr Luke may be a bad guy, but we cant loose faith in order and proceedings. I'm sure even gaga agrees with this otherwise she would have never worked with terry, r. kelly? were those two even convicted? I wont be posting again in this thread I don't know if Terry settled out of court but I know Kelly has settled out of court so many times. I knew about his behaviors from the moment the news hit the tabloids. There are multiple reports online about his strange past. Here's a link out of many you can search about his civil cases. Embrace yourselves: http://www.villagevoice.com/music/read-the-stomach-churning-sexual-assault-accusations-against-r-kelly-in-full-6637412 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomingfree77 244 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 14 hours ago, Saymyname432 said: they are doing the right thing by not letting Kesha get her way by throwing a "Hissy-Fit" like a spoiled brat and when you compound that fact with the fact that everybody and anybody who didn't make the auditions American idol, voice and so on would love to have that contract so.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbumblenut 48 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 10 hours ago, Miel said: Good points. Also, I loved Catherine. Also, this thread... Catherine was amaaaazinggg. I miss those characters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Roomingfree77 said: they are doing the right thing by not letting Kesha get her way by throwing a "Hissy-Fit" like a spoiled brat and when you compound that fact with the fact that everybody and anybody who didn't make the auditions American idol, voice and so on would love to have that contract so.. That's the issue....Gaga's issue with Fusari too.... Producers see a talent they can sell....EXPLOIT the **** out of it...rip off the artist.... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Roomingfree77 said: they are doing the right thing by not letting Kesha get her way by throwing a "Hissy-Fit" like a spoiled brat and when you compound that fact with the fact that everybody and anybody who didn't make the auditions American idol, voice and so on would love to have that contract so.. Wanting to get out of a contract with an over-controlling and artistically limiting person to be in charge of your career and your music is totally throwing a "hissy-fit" and being a spoiled brat....okay. Working with a boss that doesn't respect you and your ideas is not healthy. My husband is going through it right now at his job, and I see the effects of it when he comes home. It's not okay to treat people like they're just a money-making machine for you. You know who's a spoiled brat? Dr. Luke. Kesha wanted out of her contract, he said NO. Kesha wanted certain songs released on HER album, he said NO. Kesha wanted to release an album with The Flaming Lips, he said NO. He's been a brat only allowing Kesha to use songs HE produced that HE liked best, blocking her from making music with other people, but KESHA is the spoiled brat? Rethink that, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,625 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Sony dropping Luke wouldn't by itself say he is guilty, but if there is any truth to the allegations, it is in their interests to protect their brand and artists they work with. Corporations these days fire you over controversial or offensive social media posts, but allegations like these, Sony ought to put distance. It would be different if this was incidental of Dr. Luke, but others have come forward and giving him a reputation as a sexual harassment abuser. If this was some random woman reporting sexual harassment, most companies have policies to reprimand perpetrators up to termination. Why would this be different? Do your own research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveandMagic 1,731 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 21 hours ago, Saymyname432 said: It seems to me people are misinterpreting things. Kesha didn't take him to trial for rape. She's trying to get out of her contract because of harassment and artistic repression/career hinderance, both valid reasons to want to leave. First off, I've not seen it specifically state that Gaga has ever accused him of rape. Being close to Kesha, I imagine she's seen the emails (that I believe that Kesha showed in court) and considering her own experiences probably sees many of the warning signs that are common in these sorts of situations. As far as I know, she hasn't advocated that he go to jail, but that Sony release him (likely when his contract expires) or put pressure for Kesha's sake and the sake of other female artists (Kelly was forced to work with him). Second off, Luke is known for being a bully of women (this is why feminists like me are paying extra attention to this). Many female artists that have worked with him have come out an said this. Respectable artists like Kelly and Marina. He has a nasty reputation. I'd be calling for his firing too. His actions are unprofessional to the extreme and WOULD NOT be tolerated in any other field/industry. AT ALL. As far as I'm concerned, he has been given a pass for very bad behavior REGARDLESS if he actually raped anyone. People keep bringing up Terry Richards. I agree, it's very hypocritical she continues working with him when he has a nasty reputation too (he has also not been convicted). It still doesn't change the fact that Luke is obviously a bully and shouldn't have any power over women. So if Gaga, a personal friend of Kesha, is calling for Sony to cut him lose, I have ZERO problem with this. Now, whatever the LEGAL course of action is, should be done. Probably the best bet is that Sony will pressure him to renegotiate his contract with Kesha, setting her free or giving her far more freedom in her work (as in having her work promoted and released without Luke's say so). I would personally like to see Luke go away for good. One less predator in the industry the better. I don't know why the industry likes to give such a pass to these people. Purge them all. Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show. I should really just relax." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,513 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 20 hours ago, andy232000 said: we dont know is she still has contacts with R.Kelly or Terry anymore. both have been gone since the beginning of ARTPOP, and we cant possibly know where Gaga´s relationship with these two men stand. maybe she realized she made a mistake and doesnt talk to them anymore, or maybe she thinks they are innocent. just cause you support one rape case it doesnt mean you have to support all of them. Dr luck has a lot of evidence agains him and she obviously knows more than the media etc etc etc. and anyway, its her standing for kesha not you or me Additionally this happened a long time ago even if there was total proof... Should ppl forever the rest of their lives be trated like scums even if they changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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