Luc 4,776 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 It really surprises me how many people are going to vote out. I thought this was a progressive forum. Cameron's rhetorics have apparently done their job: UK population now largely believes the biggest problem of the EU is the free movement of labour and European integration. Cameron had the chance to shake up the EU as a whole, actually for the better. He could've pushed for progress on the Energy Union, more effective governance, democratisation of European institutes and decision-making, strengthening outside borders and increasing competitiveness on the tech and bio-industry market. INSTEAD he focuses on a few bullshit things, like 'ever closer union' (doesn't mean a thing!), welfare for East-Europeans (won't make a difference AT ALL). Cameron literally did nothing besides waste everybody's time for the past year. The economy of every single EU country is better off with a bigger union, but at the same time I want the Euroskeptics to be proven wrong. I want the moderate Euroskeptics to see that leaving the EU is bad for your economy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,153 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Simon said: yeah why not. a weak europe would benefit the world totally If by Europe you mean Germany and few other founder countries, Britain can live well without. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ ᶠʳᵒⁿᵗ ᵗᵒʷᵃʳᵈ ᵉⁿᵉᵐʸ (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 4 hours ago, RAMROD said: If by Europe you mean Germany and few other founder countries, Britain can live well without. With Europe he means the 430 million people living in the EU excluding the UK. Germany makes up for only 1/5 of this. And before you say their power is not in proportion, remember that Malta and Luxembourg have veto for many issues, just like Germany does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 11 hours ago, SlaeUrAnus said: I'm voting out. The only consequence that may hit the UK hard will be the detrimental effect on international business. And you economy will go down faster than you can say Brexit. But when you leave, I hope EU won't let them in again, even if UK want to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 24 minutes ago, Simon said: And you economy will go down faster than you can say Brexit. But when you leave, I hope EU won't let them in again, even if UK want to grow up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, JDi said: grow up. wow much discussion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockPop 7,747 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 The gp fear change. It's a fact of life. Unfortunately the country is in the toilet if we don't change. Worst of all we have a n awful government elected right now so it's lose/lose. I don't want to think of a UK that doesn't have a say on their own goings on anymore. The UK is powerless under the eu because they do not understand how the UK works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Simon said: wow much discussion coming from the person who never had a single thought of his own on politics. acting like you joined a team of players you must play along with. whatever "Germany"'s stance on whatever issue is, you'd stick to it. it's no game. it's deciding what's best collectively and individually. and what are you doing, again? that's right. nothing other than having an opinion. make it your own. say something smart. change someone's mind. "I hope EU won't let you back in" lol what is the EU? the cool kids? you one of them? that's great. if you really cared about politics and progress and PEOPLE this sort of dumb **** won't be coming out of your mouth. grow up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, JDi said: coming from the person who never had a single thought of his own on politics. acting like you joined a team of players you must play along with. whatever "Germany"'s stance on whatever issue is, you'd stick to it. it's no game. it's deciding what's best collectively and individually. and what are you doing, again? that's right. nothing other than having an opinion. make it your own. say something smart. change someone's mind. "I hope EU won't let you back in" lol what is the EU? the cool kids? you one of them? that's great. if you really cared about politics and progress and PEOPLE this sort of dumb **** won't be coming out of your mouth. grow up. You tell me to grow up, but you are the one that is getting personal? Seriously, you shouldn't throw with stones when you sit in a glass house "nothing other than having an opinion"- I happen to be politically active, too My comment with "I hope EU won't let you back in", which I still stand in. If UK leaves EU, soon it will see it was a mistake and probably wants to get back in and of course that is not how politics play. You just can't chose whatever you want. Either you stay in or you leave forever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 10 hours ago, TiphEret said: What do you mean by strong EU governance? Honestly i think each country should still remain quite independent regarding their politics but it's hard to compromise so of course we also have to accept the rules while being part of the EU and I do agree that so far the UK seems to just want one side of the coin. The EU grew from a trading/economic union. All this sociopolitical stuff is new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Simon said: You tell me to grow up, but you are the one that is getting personal? Seriously, you shouldn't throw with stones when you sit in a glass house "nothing other than having an opinion"- I happen to be politically active, too My comment with "I hope EU won't let you back in", which I still stand in. If UK leaves EU, soon it will see it was a mistake and probably wants to get back in and of course that is not how politics play. You just can't chose whatever you want. Either you stay in or you leave forever yeah, definitely grow up and say something smart. you won't move a soul with your comfortable nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, JDi said: yeah, definitely grow up and say something smart. you won't move a soul with your comfortable nonsense. you won't either with your personal attacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Simon said: you won't either with your personal attacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 50,111 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 But to get back on topic... Will the same concessions made to protect the UK (or London, lbr) be afforded to the other non-Eurozone EU members? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear 7,515 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Looking at some of these preliminary polls, I have a feeling we'll stay in the EU- which I'm personally happy with. I also think undecided voters will have more of a tendency to vote stay rather than leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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