JackTheTripper 866 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 She has some problematic attitude, and I dont even listen to that much RAP, but she has made some really great records, I ill take her everyday over Beyonce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 6 hours ago, Kayla said: Is being self-centered actually a bad thing, though? Beyonce is confident, but she also backs it up with talent and charitable acts. She didn't just use New Orleans imagery for a song, she helped create The Survivor Foundation to help Katrina victims. Also, in The Blacker the Berry by Kendrick Lamar says: "My hair is nappy, my **** is big, my nose is round and wide" "eat watermelon, chicken, and Kool-Aid on weekdays Or jump high enough to get Michael Jordan endorsements Or watch BET cause urban support is important" - Bringing that up to show that people use obvious, sometimes stereotypical, imagery in songs to make their points. I think that's the intention, though. She wanted it to be unmistakably a song and video praising very recognizable aspects of black culture. Messages of appreciation don't need to be hidden behind symbolism- sometimes it's better to be obvious and straightforward. Hell, Gaga did it with Born This Way. That song was extremely straightforward and obvious, because she wanted to point-blank say "You deserve respect," without burying it under symbolism. Being superficial and having one dimensional lyrics doesn't mean something is trash, though. Is Just Dance trash? Not liking it is one thing, but labeling something as trash just because you don't personally like it is a bit of a stretch. I was only talking about the music video so your comparison to Born This Way is invalid. The MV for BTW was full of illusions to Eastern mythology, quantum physics, Mixhael Jackson and Madonna, DNA and evolution. Whereas the MV for Formation was, like I said, all cliches. If you believe that to be intentional, may I ask why? Why would she use only "recognizable" aspects of Southern black culture? I like that she is for the first time paying homage to her roots...but that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockPop 7,747 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I just think it's funny beyonce put out this track. Aka miss "how much whiter is she today". Seriously. She hasn't been black for 10 years and suddenly she's proud?! Sure thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRedd 3,139 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 21 hours ago, amenvodka said: Fun fact: The first part of Flawless AKA "Bow Down" is not about feminism or equality. It's about all y'all corny ass haters that still go on ATRL and GagaDaily every day getting fumed up about her being recognized for the 20+ years of tears, sweat, blood and hard work into her career to get to the point where she was at the moment and then try to delegitimize her as "overrated", "predictable" or saying "all she does is sing live and dance well all the time, i don't get the big deal about people liking actual talent!" in addition to the crapton of people saying the only reason she's commercially successful and critically lauded is because she's black and got the "priviliged minority" treatment (which is messed up in so many ways considering that she was basically controlled and trained like a dog DAY AND NIGHT by her father from age 5 til age 17 and as a result suffered from severe depression and burn outs throughout the entire span of her career). It's about the likes of people that have nothing better to do than go up on an online forum, project their own insecurities on superstars, think they'll become more likeable/popular by throwing shade and being an asshole because they have an oh so edgy opinion and cheer on a massive homophobic, transphobic, racist and misogynist bigot just for her talking smack about somebody they despise. Perfectly stated... ???? May I Read You? 😎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 16 hours ago, Lord Temptation said: I was only talking about the music video so your comparison to Born This Way is invalid. The MV for BTW was full of illusions to Eastern mythology, quantum physics, Mixhael Jackson and Madonna, DNA and evolution. Whereas the MV for Formation was, like I said, all cliches. If you believe that to be intentional, may I ask why? Why would she use only "recognizable" aspects of Southern black culture? I like that she is for the first time paying homage to her roots...but that's about it. I think it was intentional not necessarily to use cliches, but to use obvious references to make the intention of the video abundantly clear to everyone. Does she have to use lowkey references in order to be respected for it or something? And even a lot of the cliche stuff was done with specific meaningful references. Sure, a sinking cop car is cliche, but that was a direct reference to Hurricane Katrina and how our government let her down. A city in ruins is also cliche, but it was New Orleans and her mother is Louisiana Creole and Beyonce helped create The Survivor Fund to help victims of Katrina. I also recently noticed that when Beyonce flips off the camera she's doing so in front of a plantation home. The little boy dancing in front of the police is a reference to the child who was shot by police in Cleveland. She showed a variety of New Orleans lifestyles and locations, referencing history and modern day. A lot of that can be considered cliche, but it's an important part of Beyonce's life and heritage. She shouldn't have to hide it behind symbolism to have it be taken seriously. It's also funny to me how people don't criticize Beyonce as much for being "too obvious, too cliche, etc." on her other videos, but when one actually has meaning behind the obvious imagery it's a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerBoy15 131 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 On 2/14/2016 at 8:57 PM, Lance said: This translates to: "Ugh!!! cant list proper reasons to hate the Formation video111!! >.<" this conversation has me weak! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popo 3,724 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 On 14 February 2016 at 11:29 AM, Cerny said: Fine, but her latest album recieved critical acclaim so there's people who's here for Azealia Banks the rapper/artist, who can separate her music/art from her attitude. I honestly find that outside of these online cult sites, people don't care enough about what happens online to affect the artist's commercial success. If the music is good people will naturally buy them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 53 minutes ago, Kayla said: I think it was intentional not necessarily to use cliches, but to use obvious references to make the intention of the video abundantly clear to everyone. Does she have to use lowkey references in order to be respected for it or something? And even a lot of the cliche stuff was done with specific meaningful references. Sure, a sinking cop car is cliche, but that was a direct reference to Hurricane Katrina and how our government let her down. A city in ruins is also cliche, but it was New Orleans and her mother is Louisiana Creole and Beyonce helped create The Survivor Fund to help victims of Katrina. I also recently noticed that when Beyonce flips off the camera she's doing so in front of a plantation home. The little boy dancing in front of the police is a reference to the child who was shot by police in Cleveland. She showed a variety of New Orleans lifestyles and locations, referencing history and modern day. A lot of that can be considered cliche, but it's an important part of Beyonce's life and heritage. She shouldn't have to hide it behind symbolism to have it be taken seriously. It's also funny to me how people don't criticize Beyonce as much for being "too obvious, too cliche, etc." on her other videos, but when one actually has meaning behind the obvious imagery it's a problem. I really love how Outkast incorporate their Southern heritage into their lyrics and instrumentation. They do it in such an esoteric, playful and idiosyncratic way. It feels seamless but also forceful (rather than forced) yet because a lot of it is abstract (and weird AF) it allows different layers of interpretation and appreciation. Their videos are a mystery. You have to think about what it all means. To me it feels like Beyonce is merely selling her heritage - you don't need to think hard because it's all so obvious. Eleven years and four albums after Hurricane Katrina she decides that she's mad about it? And about her blackness, I like that she is finally honouring her roots, as if to say "I've always been black, but now I'm not afraid to show it". It's an interesting concept, no doubt, but to me it seems...a little insincere. Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 26 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said: I really love how Outkast incorporate their Southern heritage into their lyrics and instrumentation. They do it in such an esoteric, playful and idiosyncratic way. It feels seamless but also forceful (rather than forced) yet because a lot of it is abstract (and weird AF) it allows different layers of interpretation and appreciation. Their videos are a mystery. You have to think about what it all means. To me it feels like Beyonce is merely selling her heritage - you don't need to think hard because it's all so obvious. Eleven years and four albums after Hurricane Katrina she decides that she's mad about it? And about her blackness, I like that she is finally honouring her roots, as if to say "I've always been black, but now I'm not afraid to show it". It's an interesting concept, no doubt, but to me it seems...a little insincere. Just my opinion. Oh, I respect Outkast's artistic vision more than Beyonce's. That group has more musical talent and creativity than she does, no doubt. But that doesn't mean everyone has to incorporate Southern heritage that way. They take a more abstract approach, Beyonce chose obvious. It's okay to have both; one doesn't detract from the other. It could come off as her selling her heritage, but do we really know enough about Beyonce behind closed doors to make that call? She's done a very good job of keeping her private life private during her career. What she shows the public is careful, constructed, and planned, but that doesn't mean her heart isn't in it. And she's not just now deciding she's mad about it. The Survivor Foundation was started years ago and has been giving to victims of other hurricane disasters (including Katrina) in the years since Katrina. Hell, since 2007 she's quietly donated over $7 million to a homeless shelter she herself helped create to help victims of Katrina. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/09/beyonce-hometown-houston_n_5570609.html) She didn't wait 11 years and 4 albums later to decide she's mad about it- she's been helping the cause since it happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miju 375 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Thank the lord for Kayla, always serving perfect posts in these kind of threads doseofamnesia. tumblr. com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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