lego 44,165 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, SISTERV said: Just because you keep a book written by someone doesn't mean you agree with them. Your article suggesting Trump is a Hitler fan requires an assumption. You have no idea why or what context he was reading it from. Many advanced level high schoolers even read Mein Kampf. It doesn't make them a Nazi. It's actually more plausible to think Trump was reading Hitler to understand a specific aspect of him. Many people know Hitler was very smart and brilliant. He's even been called "the Original Pop Star". Hitler was of course pure evil, but understanding his mind is not evil. IE: This fanbase calls itself "monsters" for our understanding of the term and it's context to society, not because our beliefs are that of evil. Get it? What are you even defending here? This entire argument is so irrelevant. How about you justify the comparisons in that one image Glozell posted. If you don't see the similarities then you are truly delusional. Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, SISTERV said: That's the problem with this generation. They don't really understand doing or being a do-er. They are mostly talk. Previous generations thought the one before these "Millenials" were also lazy. It's more about different types of work ethics (which is laid out here: http://xyzuniversity.com/2011/09/whichgenerationworksthehardest/). Going back to older generations complaining about the newer ones, this has happened pretty much every decade. Like...Plato and Socrates were complaining about the youth of the times, and this was around 400BC. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=408989 Not to say that each generation doesn't have its pitfalls- us millennials really aren't perfect- but the reality is older generations like to complain about the newer ones because newer ones do things differently and the older generations don't like that. It's been happening for centuries, literally, and society keeps progressing. I'm sure us millennials will end up complaining about the next generation too; it's like clockwork. I do agree that it is the "doers" that go farthest, but it's also important to think of success in context. You referenced the people that "didn't let their race, sexual orientation, economic situation, personal life destroy them." It is important to recognize that some people do come at a disadvantage and that disadvantage really weighs people down. It's like this classroom and waste bucket analogy to illustrate privilege (http://twentytwowords.com/what-will-you-do-with-your-privilege/). Instead of creating a society where we just tell the kids in the back row to "Try harder! Practice more! Don't let what you were born into prevent you from accessing what is much easier for those kids up front! Be a Doer!" we should do more to acknowledge these differences and find ways to put people on a level playing field, or bring more opportunities to the "back row." And many times minorities who have made it even reference the importance of working hard AND having access to opportunities, like black winners at the academy awards often taking time out of their speeches to reference the importance of having black roles. So it's not just about working hard- it's about having a place to channel that work in the first place. And if you grow up thinking success is not accessible for you, what is the incentive? It's not black and white, and simply telling people to be a "doer" doesn't fix the problems faced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Just now, VampireHeart said: How do you think the millions of Muslim Americans feel when their "soon-to-be(GodForbid)-President" say he wants to "ban muslims until he figures out what is going on", are you aware of the rise in hate crimes after that statement? Are you aware that ban would include even American Muslims working abroad, soldiers, doctors etc. that's exactly what he said. He is a bigot and it's disgusting how you're trying to justify it. He called Mexicans rapists, give me some bs justification for that. I don't know where you got your information, but it is simply untrue as Trump has not laid out any specific plan regarding his statements on Muslims entering the country in 2017. The only thing he has said was his statement in the rally itself, which was vague. I also would like to see statistical evidence from a reliable source regarding the rise of hate crimes since that comment and how it directly correlates to Trumps off the cuff cander. Trump has never said working Muslims out of the country would be banned either....that is a total lie produced by hysteria and hyperbole from leftist facebook pages. Also...regarding the comments of calling Mexicans rapists....yes he did. But he did not say all Mexicans are rapists. More hyperbole and coloring a statement in a way that is misleading. He was talking about a woman who was raped by an illegal Mexican and the government couldn't track them down. He was saying that illegal aliens can get away with violent crimes more because they are undocumented which is not racist, but simply true. It has nothing to do with their heritage. I'm sorry but you've been hugely mislead and seem to not read into factual places but facebook/twitter rhetoric which is about as reliable as a "new LG5 Leak!!" on tumblr... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The reasons she gave... F*ck you too, you America-hating b*tch. We don't like you either, and if you hate this country so much get the hell out! One less rude, homophobic, whinny ***t to deal with. Jesus f*cking Christ.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: What are you even defending here? This entire argument is so irrelevant. How about you justify the comparisons in that one image Glozell posted. If you don't see the similarities then you are truly delusional. How about the difference that the man on the left was a power-hungry warlord who enslaved and killed almost an entire generation of Jews, blacks, gays, and other groups in German and the man on the right wants smaller, more local government and to reduce the size and power of the Federal Government and reduce the power of the presidency??? I know you're smarter that this. It's disappointing to see you compare the two in such a moronic manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kayla said: Previous generations thought the one before these "Millenials" were also lazy. It's more about different types of work ethics (which is laid out here: http://xyzuniversity.com/2011/09/whichgenerationworksthehardest/). Going back to older generations complaining about the newer ones, this has happened pretty much every decade. Like...Plato and Socrates were complaining about the youth of the times, and this was around 400BC. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=408989 Not to say that each generation doesn't have its pitfalls- us millennials really aren't perfect- but the reality is older generations like to complain about the newer ones because newer ones do things differently and the older generations don't like that. It's been happening for centuries, literally, and society keeps progressing. I'm sure us millennials will end up complaining about the next generation too; it's like clockwork. I do agree that it is the "doers" that go farthest, but it's also important to think of success in context. You referenced the people that "didn't let their race, sexual orientation, economic situation, personal life destroy them." It is important to recognize that some people do come at a disadvantage and that disadvantage really weighs people down. It's like this classroom and waste bucket analogy to illustrate privilege (http://twentytwowords.com/what-will-you-do-with-your-privilege/). Instead of creating a society where we just tell the kids in the back row to "Try harder! Practice more! Don't let what you were born into prevent you from accessing what is much easier for those kids up front! Be a Doer!" we should do more to acknowledge these differences and find ways to put people on a level playing field, or bring more opportunities to the "back row." And many times minorities who have made it even reference the importance of working hard AND having access to opportunities, like black winners at the academy awards often taking time out of their speeches to reference the importance of having black roles. So it's not just about working hard- it's about having a place to channel that work in the first place. And if you grow up thinking success is not accessible for you, what is the incentive? It's not black and white, and simply telling people to be a "doer" doesn't fix the problems faced. All I have to say is....although we might disagree at points...THANK YOU for being the first Gaga daily user today (out of 50 some) to argue my points based on logic and viable resources INSTEAD OF just calling me delusional and quoting vague and unreliable facebook posts. Bless your soul baby. You were Born This Way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, MJHolland said: The reasons she gave... F*ck you too, you America-hating b*tch. We don't like you either, and if you hate this country so much get the hell out! One less rude, homophobic, whinny ***t to deal with. Jesus f*cking Christ.... Well...actually she was saying the way the country works is fascinating and she'd be voting Trump as a method of keeping it the way it is. It was a really strange backhanded compliment and bizarre reasoning for why she'd vote for him, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said: What are you even defending here? This entire argument is so irrelevant. How about you justify the comparisons in that one image Glozell posted. If you don't see the similarities then you are truly delusional. Those same facebook posts were created for Obama in 2008. But great research for getting your information from a leftist event page on facebook made by an 18 Year old who claims "capitalism is the problem" while they down a Starbucks Coffee typing on their iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, SISTERV said: All I have to say is....although we might disagree at points...THANK YOU for being the first Gaga daily user today (out of 50 some) to argue my points based on logic and viable resources INSTEAD OF just calling me delusional and quoting vague and unreliable facebook posts. Bless your soul baby. You were Born This Way! If you want someone to debate with sources, references, and often way too many words, I'm your girl! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warholiness 927 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Ricki teas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojuun 4,159 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 24 minutes ago, GloZell Green said: @LebaneseDude Thanks for this I hope she realizes what she's actually doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderLevi2 5,849 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 42 minutes ago, SISTERV said: First of all...you shouldn't "hate anyone". Second of all....that isn't what he was saying. He was talking about himself and how he would use any circumstance he was handed to succeed. He wasn't disregarding black people who have it hard, he was thinking like a business person does...which is to seize all opportunity. He was saying that because of his inherent attitude he would find a way to as a black person to advantage himself. Just like most successful black people have...Jay Z, P Diddy, Tyler Perry use their race as a plus....not a detriment to their success. That's the problem with this generation. They don't really understand doing or being a do-er. They are mostly talk. You don't hear many successful black people coming out and joining Black Lives Matter because they characteristically don't identify with it. They didn't complain or try and argue about semantics about being black because they moved on to be something more than just their race. Alot of people that call themselves progressives hold insanely high standards for everyone else but aren't particularly successful when they begin to victimize themselves. It happens to be one of the biggest reasons Lady Gaga started to lose popularity. The minute she started to talk about her hip breaking, that she was mistreated, that people needed to "understand her", her interest level dropped and her album sales hit an all time low. Her album sales were high when she wanted to show strength and be a fighter despite being a "weird girl from NYC." People relate to that and admire that. That's why she has come back again...after ARTPOP she decided to be a fighter again and not accept loss. It's really all connected, and if you pay attention to who is successful...it's never the endless talkers...it's the doers. Especially the ones who don't let their race, sexual orientation, economic situation, personal life destroy them. Big surpirise being ignored and not responding when you read my original post completely wrong. Hmmm... Currently listening to Joanne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTHUNTER 7,611 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 What's with fascists being so trendy among people? The National Front and Marine Le Pen in France and Trump in the USA... The worst part is that his ideology isn't even republican.... somebody save us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LebaneseDude 6,146 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, MJHolland said: How about the difference that the man on the left was a power-hungry warlord who enslaved and killed almost an entire generation of Jews, blacks, gays, and other groups in German and the man on the right wants smaller, more local government and to reduce the size and power of the Federal Government and reduce the power of the presidency??? I know you're smarter that this. It's disappointing to see you compare the two in such a moronic manner. Why are you assuming that I'm implying that they're exactly alike? There are similarities in how they deal with things. Trump is simply a more modern version of Hitler when it comes to his policies. That's all that's being implied. I personally hate Godwin's Law, and laugh every time I see someone eventually bring up Hitler, but it's very applicable in this scenario. Do you plan on justifying his policies or will you sweep them under a brush in an attempt at misdirection? Edited just now by LebaneseDude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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