JackTheTripper 866 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Till this day i cant really point what make the Fame so much better than ARTPOP, i mean critics have been putting down albums, cronically as she realesed than, To be fair the only tracks from Fame that I acrtually like today and think are brilliant are Paparazzi and I like it rough, and with fame Monster - Bad romance and Dance in the dark are the best in my opinion, and than With Born this way and ARTPOP are mostly the album tracks that i really enjoy especially on BTW. I dont think that the most radio frienldy GP satisfying song which are chosen to be singles are actually the most interesting as with many artist, so with her. Infact album tracks have more interesting production and even more complex, and are inovative. I liek it rough, Dance in the Dark, Goverment hooker, Scheise, Future Love, Sexx dreams are among my favourites and why I am excited is that with this new alum, I dont think she really has to satisfy anyone, so looking forward to amazing songs, dont care if its number 1 on american radio, when i look at her competition on those charts right now i dont think i want her to even be there if its gonna mess with her production choices and the quality of music. What do you guys think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Gaga 22,889 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, JackTheTripper said: Till this day i cant really point what make the Fame so much better than ARTPOP sales. I truly believe Gaga when she says that ARTPOP is TFM little sister. Each of The Fame's monsters were even more developed during ARTPOP. Many songs relate to some kind of pain, or 'fame issue' (Aura, JnD, DWUW, ARTPOP, Swine, Fashion!, MJH, Dope, Applause). Are Paparazzi and Applause really different...? Monster and Swine? Not for me. OT: yeah, i kinda agree with you. Some album tracks are brilliant, and even more brilliant than some singles: Dance in The Dark, Government Hooker, Hair, Bloody Mary, HML, Sexxx Dreams, Gypsy, MJH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lextyr97 19,885 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I agree with everything you said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAstroLeo 14,424 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The Fame is full of boring tracks, and the only stand-off tracks are the singles. The rest are just meh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,115 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Agreed, the singles chosen tend to be very catchy and radio-ready, and not chaotic or esoteric or loud as to turn people off ("Judas", anyone?). In general, I prefer the non-single tracks, as they are usually the most exciting and eclectic, although there are certainly a few exceptions that I flat-out love ("Bad Romance", "Judas", "GUY", "Marry the Night", "You and I"). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Agree.. But on ARTPOP I really liked the singles more than most of the album tracks. I think that the best songs on the album are Applause,Do What U Want,Venus,Aura and ARTPOP... On Btw some album tracks are pure GOLD. Heavy Metal Lover,Goverment Hooker,Bloody Mary,HighWay Unicorn,Scheisse are all so much better than the singles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle 14,068 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I just think it's the opposite. Production killed ARTPOP. Some of the instrumentals are so bland or unfitting I can't believe they have the -almost- same melody than the songs live (especially at iTunes Festival). iTunes Festival brought us 7 amazing songs of sexiness, rebellion and hedonism. Instead, we got bland instrumentals and super-edited vocals on some songs (ARTPOP four last tracks stand out because of the use of either real instruments or theatrical vocals). We got Donatella instead of Brooklyn Nights and she didn't use all the potential Dope had (the artRAVE version with the "you know you know you know" part is probably my third favourite Gaga song) We went from INTENSITY to BLANDNESS. If only POP would have been officially recorded with screaming vocals (Aura, Swine) and live instruments (Swine, Sex Dreams, MANiCURE, ARTPOP). If only we had got BK instead of Donatella. If only Mary Jane Holland had been like the demo version. If only Zedd had borrowed more instrumentals from INFECTED MUSHROOM instead of reusing his own work...If only. ARTPOP was meant to be one of the best albums of this half-decade but ZEDD got his dirty hands on this work. I would blame DJWS too but he gave us DO WHAT U WANT from ARTPOP and several songs of the masterpiece that is BTW. And now, especifically on topic: I don't think ARTPOP singles were bad at all, although some tracks are equally good or atleast almost as good as the 3 singles, even better if we compare to G.U.Y. Gypsy, Dope and Aura slay G.U.Y Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eifulien 2,954 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, Mister Gaga said: sales. I truly believe Gaga when she says that ARTPOP is TFM little sister. Each of The Fame's monsters were even more developed during ARTPOP. Many songs relate to some kind of pain, or 'fame issue' (Aura, JnD, DWUW, ARTPOP, Swine, Fashion!, MJH, Dope, Applause). Are Paparazzi and Applause really different...? Monster and Swine? Not for me. OT: yeah, i kinda agree with you. Some album tracks are brilliant, and even more brilliant than some singles: Dance in The Dark, Government Hooker, Hair, Bloody Mary, HML, Sexxx Dreams, Gypsy, MJH I love you for saying this! Lately, I've been thinking about how ARTPOP sits in Gaga's discography. And what I concluded was that ARTPOP kinda mimicks The Fame and the The Fame Monster but is more agressive and energetic. ARTPOP is the personal version of The Fame where she comments on her own experience in more depth rather than making the sarcastic commentary about stardom that was quite impersonal. Putting the rest in spoiler cause it is quite offtopic. Spoiler Also it got me thinking whether that was the root of many fans' frustration with the album. I've seen many people here complain she lacked the persona/the strong character during ARTPOP, she was no longer mysterious and untouchable. She was more approachable and open about how her creativity works. What she was discussing during ARTPOP era wasn't something new for us nor was it groundbreaking - there are interviews during The Fame where she talks exactly about Warhol, reversal process in pop and so on. So basically the difference is that during The Fame she would talk ambiguously, wear these eccentric costumes and make the audience wonder what is her statement - she had the mystery, while during ARTPOP she had lost all this and was well honest and willing to explain the very same thing - the girl standing behind the burqa and her wild creative mind - drawing inspiration from art and through pop influencing art back. On the OP: Most of my favourite Gaga songs are exactly album tracks rather than singles (with the exception of The Fame where my faves are definitely the singles) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
migamiga 12,101 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I can't speak for others but for me the biggest factor was my expectation. Gaga was new when she dropped TF. I went in and listened to it with zero expectations (actually I expected it be bad like most pop albums at the time). So I was genuinely surprised when I heard the album's cohesive theme, catchy melodies, and amazing performances that went with it (because she could actually sing). The Fame was successful because gaga was doing something no one else was doing. Which brings me to AP- she put out something that didn't sounded like she was progressing. For me, it was overproduced and the lyrics were quite cringey for a fourth album. Melodically it was some of her best work. But adding those negatives plus the negative press and the perception of the album goes downward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Child 18,997 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 34 minutes ago, Mister Gaga said: sales. I truly believe Gaga when she says that ARTPOP is TFM little sister. Each of The Fame's monsters were even more developed during ARTPOP. Many songs relate to some kind of pain, or 'fame issue' (Aura, JnD, DWUW, ARTPOP, Swine, Fashion!, MJH, Dope, Applause). Are Paparazzi and Applause really different...? Monster and Swine? Not for me. OT: yeah, i kinda agree with you. Some album tracks are brilliant, and even more brilliant than some singles: Dance in The Dark, Government Hooker, Hair, Bloody Mary, HML, Sexxx Dreams, Gypsy, MJH This is so so true oh my god ‘If religion be the cause of disunity, then irreligion is surely to be preferred.’ ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant 85 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I truly think The Fame is a better pop record than ARTPOP. Production wise and in terms of Top 40 capabilities I think they're on the same level. But she had such a hardcore vision with The Fame and so much ambition. She wanted it all and it radiated off of that record. The same can't be said for ARTPOP and while I like Venus and ARTPOP and can enjoy songs like GUY and Fashion, you really can't compare them to the strength of Paparazzi and Poker Face. What i'll give ARTPOP though is its grittiness. The Fame was a well packaged debut pop record, full through. I dont care for every single track, but so be it. ARTPOP's lows were quite low imo. Nothing on The Fame was as bad as Jewels n' Drugs and Swine (although I respect Swines intent and pseudo-fempunk spirit). But she allowed herself to get reckless and ugly with AP, something she obviously could not do on her debut. Even if I dont love it, I respect it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awakened M 3,048 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Mister Gaga said: sales. I truly believe Gaga when she says that ARTPOP is TFM little sister. Each of The Fame's monsters were even more developed during ARTPOP. Many songs relate to some kind of pain, or 'fame issue' (Aura, JnD, DWUW, ARTPOP, Swine, Fashion!, MJH, Dope, Applause). Are Paparazzi and Applause really different...? Monster and Swine? Not for me. OT: yeah, i kinda agree with you. Some album tracks are brilliant, and even more brilliant than some singles: Dance in The Dark, Government Hooker, Hair, Bloody Mary, HML, Sexxx Dreams, Gypsy, MJH This comment right here. I don't know why, but it's like taking TUMS. My heart burns no longer. I'm not getting any sleep tonight because I woke up to a beautiful life. I'm awake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexxx 2,244 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I feel like the singles for TF were better than the album but all the non-singles on up were all single worthy and had potential but failed to do so because of promo. Regardless of if non-singles sound better than radio singles, it doesn't defeat the fact that her albums are great from start to finish Lady Gaga/ Madonna/Lana /Azealia Banks/ Jazmine Sullivan/ DEEE-LITE/ Moko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amatoxina 688 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 4 hours ago, Mister Gaga said: sales. I truly believe Gaga when she says that ARTPOP is TFM little sister. Each of The Fame's monsters were even more developed during ARTPOP. Many songs relate to some kind of pain, or 'fame issue' (Aura, JnD, DWUW, ARTPOP, Swine, Fashion!, MJH, Dope, Applause). Are Paparazzi and Applause really different...? Monster and Swine? Not for me. OT: yeah, i kinda agree with you. Some album tracks are brilliant, and even more brilliant than some singles: Dance in The Dark, Government Hooker, Hair, Bloody Mary, HML, Sexxx Dreams, Gypsy, MJH Oh my god! I always thought I was the only one that thinks that, I always thought ARTPOP was the psychedelic version of TFM [maybe too psychedelic for some people to understand it], they both share some similar themes and that's what I like about ARTPOP, it feels like it's a non-canonical sequel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiuga 1,970 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'm pressed that no one has mentioned Electric Chapel yet - the beat, the electric guitar, the heavy metal influence, how the song reflects the aesthetic of the album and the album cover(blood, flesh and chrome meshing up) and gaga trying to outsing that guitar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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