Diane defending Gaga

[JustYouandI 2,483]

9 minutes ago, Ray of Light said:

Academy Award for Best Original Song

It is presented to the songwriters who have composed the best original song written specifically for a film. The performers of a song are not credited with the Academy Award unless they contributed either to music, lyrics or both in their own right.

Even if Gaga only changed one line; she composed the whole damn song on her own. She has every right to nominated. 

 

OMG!!!! You just illuminated this poor thread!!! THANK YOU!!!

[Donatello 129]

3 minutes ago, JustYouandI said:

Again, the sonic part of the song is also part of the songwriting.It is not just the lyrics. 

A songwriter is an individual who writes the lyrics, melodies and chord progressions for songs, typically for a popular music genre such aspop music or country music. A songwriter can also be called a composer, although the latter term tends to be mainly used for individuals from the classical music genre. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songwriter

Even if we take the technical definition of songwriter and include melodies, Perry says that the only difference is that line.

[JustYouandI 2,483]

1 minute ago, Donatello said:

Even if we take the technical definition of songwriter and include melodies, Perry says that the only difference is that line.

So according to Perry, Diane and Gaga full on lied and Gaga didn't change any cords, or melodies or progression? Uhm.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Gaga should sue her for defamation then donate the proceeds to rape victims.

What a bitchy thing to do Linda.

[artpunk 27]

Linda Perry: Show to Lady Gaga your teeth. She will arrange things.

[LanasNerfGun 4,679]

From the official Oscars website (I bolded portions that I found interesting):

Original Song: An original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for the motion picture. There must be a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition (not necessarily visually presented) of both lyric and melody, used in the body of the motion picture or as the first music cue in the end credits.

II. ELIGIBILITY

A. The work must be created specifically for the eligible feature-length motion picture.

B. The work must be the result of a creative interaction between the filmmaker(s) and the composer(s) and/or songwriter(s) who have been engaged to work directly on the motion picture.

C. The work must be recorded for use in the motion picture prior to any other usage, including public performance or exploitation through any media whatsoever.

D. Only the principal composer(s) or songwriter(s) responsible for the conception and execution of the work as a whole shall be eligible for an award.

Expressly excluded from eligibility are all of the following: 1. music supervisors 2. partial contributors (i.e., any writer not responsible for the overall design of the work) 3. contributors working on speculation 4. producers and/or arrangers not responsible for the creation of the original song or score

E. A score shall not be eligible if: 1. it has been diluted by the use of pre-existing music, or 2. it has been diminished in impact by the predominant use of songs or any music not composed specifically for the film by the submitting composer, or 3. it has been assembled from the music of more than one composer.

F. No more than one statuette will normally be given in the Original Score category. A second statuette may be awarded when two composers function as equal collaborators in producing the score, each contributing a substantial amount of original music for the film.

G. No more than two statuettes will normally be given in the Original Song category. A third statuette may be awarded when there are three essentially equal writers of a song. The Music Branch Executive Committee has the right, in what it alone determines to be a very rare and extraordinary circumstance, to award a fourth statuette. In cases where an established musical group has authored a song, a single statuette may be awarded under the group name in place of individual statuettes for each songwriter. Each of the credited songwriters must agree to the single “group statuette” option by signing and returning a Group Award Form prior to the submission deadline. Requests for a group statuette are subject to final approval by the Music Branch Executive Committee.

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4 hours ago, andy232000 said:

Writing a song is not only writing the lyrics. She appears as a co-written, meaning she didn't even lyrically wrote the most important aspects of the song. And posting the old lyrics would add more fuel to the already inferno, unfortunately....and I have a feeling that Linda didn't lie entierly when she said there was only one line changed

THIS. Songwriting also includes the musical composition: melody, chords, dynamics/accentuation/all other composition techniques that give the song it's mood and identity. Words and music work together in songwriting. Diane already has said Gaga had a lot to do with musical arrangement, chords and mood. Production encompasses the studio work on the words and music, the mixing and mastering. So YES, Gaga's SONGWRITING contribution is legitimate based on the things Diane already said.

 

Linda, as an established songwriter, most likely would be aware of what constitutes a song, which is why I think she issued an official apology.

[VenusBlackStar 1,301]

3 hours ago, JustYouandI said:

Again, the sonic part of the song is also part of the songwriting.It is not just the lyrics. 

A songwriter is an individual who writes the lyrics, melodies and chord progressions for songs, typically for a popular music genre such aspop music or country music. A songwriter can also be called a composer, although the latter term tends to be mainly used for individuals from the classical music genre. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songwriter

Made my post THEN saw this. Lovely clarification, thank you!

 

Calm down, you gays.

[Alphaz 7,956]

what a mess

so the nomination just for the song writer? if Gaga didn't help with the writing process, maybe help in producing, Is she still up for The Oscar?

 

edit : just saw few post by fellow members here

I guess she is part of the song writing, even if it just a little melodies or lyrics

[Miranda Sings 1,705]

Holy sh*t who the hell cares why does this have 14 pages

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

An ATRL'er said it best

"Y'all damn well know she's taken some Vicodin and vodka and is holding on for her dear life not to fully exfoliate Linda solely because she's up for a nomination.  If she loses expect Linda to go missing shortly after. Only to be found dead 2 months later lying in a gutter with a note that reads: 'It happened to her'"

[Sam Dey 1,847]

ugh who caaaares