Linda Perry: Gaga didn't co-write TIHTY

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Does anyone really give two fvcks about Linda Perry? When was the last time she was relevant in the music world? Seriously, are there fans who believe this bish? I swear, Gaga has the most disgusting fans! Linda and the people who believe are allegations are complete idiots. Ridiculous  

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3 minutes ago, Lady said:

Gaga has clearly said that Diane wrote the song, she produced. So no new information from Linda.

Producers don't get songwriting credit or shouldn't.  I don't see that in songwriting credits.   That's a different hat.  Written by......     Produced by......

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Gaga has already stated multiple times that Diane wrote the beginnings of what the song was.  Gaga then took it and reworked it and changed the melody and chords etc.  Gaga was even the one that wanted the orchestra arrangement while diane initially only wanted with piano.  Not to mention, Diane's initial concept of the song was it to be sad and emotional, and then gaga took it and made it evolve into something full of rage and power.  There is nothing to see here, Linda is just trying to get attention, ignore her.  Who cares what she says when diane and gaga have already told us about how the writing process worked.  Plus, Gaga would never put her name on something that she never worked on.  

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Just now, RockySayTalk said:

The promo explanation is likely based on the fact that having Gaga as a cowriter (or main writer) guaranteed even more Oscar buzz if/when it was nominated/wins. Diane had so many nominations but no wins yet, just another song up doesn't add anything special. Gaga, the it-girl atm, going for her first Academy Award? That's more of an interesting story (and more likely to pull votes...)

Becuase you're right in the sense that having Gagas vocals on it already gave it plenty of promo which wouldn't have changed if she didn't have the credit. 

To me, it sounds like a veiled attempt to attack Gagas claim on the Oscar, not at Diane's tactics for promo methods (although like I mentioned above you could see how these two can be related)

I can see this, but I suppose I'm more looking for an explanation as to why she was credited the main writer. I still don't feel like promo is a great explanation for that. I totally get why she would be credited as co-writer because she did contribute in some way to the song.

But to me the co-writing seems enough, she would still get an Oscar if TIHTY won and Diane was credited as the main writer with Gaga as the co writer (In the same way that Diane gets an Oscar if they win now). So, Gaga would still be up for her first Academy Award if she was credited as the co-writer which still creates an interesting story that is likely to pull votes. Even as producer she has a claim to the Oscar and Gaga is credited as the sole producer. 

What I'm really trying to figure out is why Gaga is credited as the main writer, because I'll admit that I was surprised to find that out when the song was first released, I had assumed at most she would be credited as the co-writer. To me the promo explanation doesn't make the most sense, because Gaga would still be performing the song and she would still be eligible for the Oscar as a co-writer and as the producer.

That's why I mentioned Elton, who is credited as the main writer in his songs even though his partner Bernie Taupin writes all his lyrics. Or Katy who is credited as the main writer in her songs because she creates the topline melody even though Bonnie Mckee greatly helps with the general concept and lyrics.

A situation closer to that seems, to me, to be a better explanation as to why Gaga was credited as the main writer rather than co-writer.

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2 minutes ago, Didymus said:

They don't have to

Gaga and Diane have said they worked together on the song multiple times now. An actual press statement repeating that would make them look so ****ing embarrassing, I'd honestly be happier if no one said anything.

I agree.

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I don't think that Gaga really wrote any of the song. She maybe made some changes but that's it..It's not anything great lyrically imo.Most Gaga songs have better lyrics

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3 minutes ago, PopBitch said:

Producers don't get songwriting credit or shouldn't.  I don't see that in songwriting credits.   That's a different hat.  Written by......     Produced by......

When you produce, you are likely to make at least some minor changes to the lyrics in order for the song to fit better with the whole production. That's why Gaga, who writes all her songs, always has a couple of co-writters who helped with the lyrics, but actually worked or production and melody.

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5 hours ago, Disconnect said:

Mess. She is ruining their chance of winning by creating this f*cking controversy. I'm mad.

Have some faith in the Academy. They are supposed to vote neutrally without letting what others say affect their judgment.

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if it's true we'll have a queen of winning oscars for a song that she had nothing to do with 

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22 minutes ago, VampireHeart said:

Linda Perry may be credited as the songwriter on “Hands of Love,” the moving end-title theme to Freeheld performed by Miley Cyrus, but the former 4 Non Blondes leader says she didn’t write it.

“I don’t take ownership in something that beautiful, because it comes from somewhere else,” she says. The seeds of the soaring anthem came to Perry immediately after a screening of the indie film, now in theaters, about a cancer-stricken female detective (Julianne Moore) who fights five Freehold, N.J., councilmen to have her domestic partner (Ellen Page) receive her pension benefits.

Moved by the performances and Hans Zimmerand Johnny Marr’s score, Perry grabbed her phone and began singing into it. “All of a sudden, I hear lyrics, melody, the chords -- it’s just all kind of coming,” she says. By the time she played it on piano for the movie’s producers less than an hour later, the song was nearly completed. “I think they thought I was on drugs or something. They were like, ‘There’s no way you’re going to tell us you wrote a song in 45 minutes on the way from the movie to here,” she says.

Producer/musician Kerry Brown, with whom Perry worked on Hole’s 2010 album, Nobody’s Daughter (“We met through the chaos ofCourtney [Love]," Perry says) is married to Stacey Sher, one of the movie’s producers. He thought Perry would be perfect to write the theme even though she’s previously walked away from movie work because filmmakers “want the temp song. It hurts by feelings. I get too sensitive and emotional about it,” she says. “This was completely the opposite.”

Page asked Cyrus to perform the theme. “She just came in so generous and classy. I was shocked,” Perry says. “She is my favorite person out there right now because she is doing it her way.” Cyrus ran through the song three times. Within two weeks of Perry seeing the film, the song was mixed and mastered. RCA digitally released the song last week.

With Oscar talk already surrounding the movie’s performances, Perry -- who released a children’s album with wife Sara Gilbert three weeks ago -- may also be in the running for best original song. “Wouldn’t it be awesome if we got a nomination for song too?” she says. “I’m not going to lie. That would be f---ing incredible.”

 

 

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6722911/linda-perry-freeheld-hands-love-miley-cyrus-interview

 

 

Quoting myself.  

These are clearly her motives. She's bitter her song didn't get the nom.

 

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2 minutes ago, AmericanHSlave said:

Have some faith in the Academy. They are supposed to vote neutrally without letting what others say affect their judgment.

Well, in theory.

The thing we should have more faith in is that Diane and Gaga met the members of the Academy's music branches at a private luncheon and performed the song for them in private. That's how you win. The nominations who don't bother (or who don't have access to that kind of pull) don't win. That's how it goes.

That's the strongest argument against the ridiculous idea that the chances of the song losing are affected by these tweets ( ): the Academy has already met both of them, discussed the song with them, heard the song live, there's simply no way they'd think Diane just gave Gaga a credit for no reason, esp. since Diane's such a respected songwriter.

[Fiona Apple 13,006]

Gaga needs to answer already though.It's creating controversy.Damn!

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No.  The degree of Gaga's involvement changes nothing.  The main songwriter is nominated.  Gaga interpreted the song vocally.  

There is no scandal from a tweet.  A scandal would be if there was a ghostwriter not credited and Diane and Gaga taking credit for it.  The people involved with the song are nominated.  Even if one really for all intents and purposes wrote the song with the other doing little to add to the songwriting process except little arrangement flourishes in a few places and was really more involved with the vocal delivery and vocal interpretation of that song, that changes nothing regarding the nomination, the degrees of the songwriting credit.

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8 minutes ago, Dean Winchester said:

Gaga has already stated multiple times that Diane wrote the beginnings of what the song was.  Gaga then took it and reworked it and changed the melody and chords etc.  Gaga was even the one that wanted the orchestra arrangement while diane initially only wanted with piano.  Not to mention, Diane's initial concept of the song was it to be sad and emotional, and then gaga took it and made it evolve into something full of rage and power.  There is nothing to see here, Linda is just trying to get attention, ignore her.  Who cares what she says when diane and gaga have already told us about how the writing process worked.  Plus, Gaga would never put her name on something that she never worked on.  

Can someone put this in the first post? Thanks.