Linda Perry: Gaga didn't co-write TIHTY

[Bambino 24,290]

5 minutes ago, CurlyBae said:

I don't think that Gaga really wrote any of the song. She maybe made some changes but that's it..It's not anything great lyrically imo.Most Gaga songs have better lyrics

This tbh. I've always thought that the lyrics were a bit too simple to be Gaga's lyrics

[elijahfan 26,275]

Gaga is the sole producer of the song, so even if she didn't have any input in writing the lyrics, she'd still be eligible. That's why this debate is totally useless and defamatory, especially right now in the middle of awards season. People are always so eager to put Gaga down, saying she didn't deserve her GG and ****, that I'm afraid they'll blindly jump on any opportunity to discredit her Oscar nom, and I'm afraid Linda Perry pretty consciously opened the floodgates.

[monketsharona 81,310]

12 minutes ago, DonchoMonster said:

Just calm down guys. Diane always said they co wrote it together, so everything is good. Gaga is and will still be nominated for that Oscar 

Yeah but it's definitely a bad move made by Linda Perry to say Lady Gaga wouldn't deserve the Oscar. And she definitely called her opportunist. That's what she implies. And that's definitely disrespectful.

Anyway, it's definitely a lack of respect toward Lady Gaga. Especially no-one said Diane hasn't written it.

Honestly I don't like when Gaga drags people, when she does. But it would be deserved this time. 

[Bradley 59,114]

5 hours ago, Yanko said:

I'm not putting anyone Or anything down. I'm stating the truth . I credit Diane for writing this song, it is her experience her pain her words. That's it kids.

 

 this bitch better not ruin everything 

 

 

But the truth has not been revealed yet. We are waiting for further information from Diane and Gaga.

Gaga is still a writer of that song as of now, so not at you withdrawing Gaga's credits already.

[Yanko 9,860]

1 minute ago, AmericanHSlave said:

But the truth has not been revealed yet. We are waiting for further information from Diane and Gaga.

Gaga is still a writer of that song as of now, so not at you withdrawing Gaga's credits already.

im withdrawing gagas credits? what?   

[Admin 24,441]

If anything that's great to me because it means LG5 will sound nothing like TIHTY.

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, Yanko said:

im withdrawing gagas credits? what?   

He mistakes your quote for your own opinion, I think.

[elijahfan 26,275]

2 minutes ago, PopBitch said:

No.  The degree of Gaga's involvement changes nothing.  The main songwriter is nominated.  Gaga interpreted the song vocally.

That's not enough for an Oscar nom: it's one of the rare awards that has no consideration towards the performer. Céline Dion didn't get an Oscar for My Heart Will Go On, though the song did win best original song. That's why it's very important here for Gaga to be credited as a writer, or producer.

[monketsharona 81,310]

Just now, Admin said:

If anything that's great to me because it means LG5 will sound nothing like TIHTY.

Not a sure thing though ^^ 

But I hope you're right  

[RAMROD 109,617]

It is really not her place to say this.

So I am replying to her accordingly

 

[hELXIG 43,038]

But what would Linda Perry know about Gaga and Diane's sessions together? And Diane has stated they wrote the song together, and she's given Gaga an official credit on the song.

I would like to hope that the academy won't take another celebrities gossip into account, especially one tweet with no evidence behind it. And if they do, then they aren't the distinguished professionals that should be judging such awards.

[nativenewyorker 1,190]

Gaga and Diane pretty much broke down who wrote which parts and what it was like working together on writing the song. Even going so far as to talk about the chord changes and melodies Gaga wanted to add and Diane was wary but they compromised by Gaga's edits being only in the 2nd verse, etc. Plus, Gaga produced the song so there's no chance in hell she doesn't deserve credit for the award. 

I wonder if Linda is just saying this because she thinks Diane brought her the song and Gaga barely changed anything and then stamped her name on it for the sake of the award. Kind of a weird assumption to make but it looks like she's trying to say that Gaga doesn't deserve the award, which comes off as pure jealousy IMO. 

[Didymus 34,379]

1. Linda didn't contradict Gaga and Diane's story of their collaboration
2. Diane's point of view will always matter more than Linda's
3. Gaga and Diane have already met with the Academy's music branch, performed the song in private and discussed the song, its themes and its construction there (thàt's how you win)
4. A few irrelevant sites picking this up is not "controversy" so stop pretending there is one
5. Linda said she didn't mean to disrespect Gaga or Diane (so the chances of a major Twitter fight are extremely low)
6. If Monsters keep attacking Linda the way they're doing now, we might risk this thing getting more attention in the media

So calm the **** down.

If there's anything that could hurt Gaga's chances/reputation rn it's this fanbase turning a minor incident into a massive news story.

Thank you

[RockySayTalk 504]

12 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I can see this, but I suppose I'm more looking for an explanation as to why she was credited the main writer. I still don't feel like promo is a great explanation for that. I totally get why she would be credited as co-writer because she did contribute in some way to the song.

But to me the co-writing seems enough, she would still get an Oscar if TIHTY won and Diane was credited as the main writer with Gaga as the co writer (In the same way that Diane gets an Oscar if they win now). So, Gaga would still be up for her first Academy Award if she was credited as the co-writer which still creates an interesting story that is likely to pull votes. Even as producer she has a claim to the Oscar and Gaga is credited as the sole producer. 

What I'm really trying to figure out is why Gaga is credited as the main writer, because I'll admit that I was surprised to find that out when the song was first released, I had assumed at most she would be credited as the co-writer. To me the promo explanation doesn't make the most sense, because Gaga would still be performing the song and she would still be eligible for the Oscar as a co-writer and as the producer.

That's why I mentioned Elton, who is credited as the main writer in his songs even though his partner Bernie Taupin writes all his lyrics. Or Katy who is credited as the main writer in her songs because she creates the topline melody even though Bonnie Mckee greatly helps with the general concept and lyrics.

A situation closer to that seems, to me, to be a better explanation as to why Gaga was credited as the main writer rather than co-writer.

Ah alright sorry I focused more on the promo part than the main writer part of what you said, I get what you're asking now 

and yeah in that sense I co-writing credit would have been enough to get what they "wanted" with that, so I my guess is like you said, their collaboration effected the song in a manner more than just changing words of the song. 

Which really puts all this into perspective. If it had been just a co-writing credit there would have been more of a basis of an "attack", if you can call it that. But to me it seems more like Perry wants more spotlight on Diane and her song 'writing' process, which she feels was jacked by adding Gaga to the mix. Still, not really her business though, as Diane rarely co-writes at all, so this must have been something special to both women 

[Bradley 59,114]

5 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Well, in theory.

The thing we should have more faith in is that Diane and Gaga met the members of the Academy's music branches at a private luncheon and performed the song for them in private. That's how you win. The nominations who don't bother (or who don't have access to that kind of pull) don't win. That's how it goes.

That's the strongest argument against the ridiculous idea that the chances of the song losing are affected by these tweets ( ): the Academy has already met both of them, discussed the song with them, heard the song live, there's simply no way they'd think Diane just gave Gaga a credit for no reasos, esp. since Diane's such a respected songwriter.

True, but the event was held for potential nominees to convince the Academy for nominating the song though. I feel like the nominees who didn't attend the event has no right to blame the Academy for being unfair and nominate the songs that got performed at the luncheon. I mean surely the Academy is entitled to put more weight on the songs that were performed, since that was the purpose of the event.

On the other hand, if an artist is on tour, sick, etc. and unable to attend that event, are we going to just cancel the luncheon and not give any artist any opportunity to perform their material?

But I hope what you said was right, that the Academy spoke to Gaga and Diane and were clearly aware of the fact that they were both songwriters of TIHTY.