Linda Perry: Gaga didn't co-write TIHTY

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3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Is that about me?  

They hate you 'cause you're a level headed critical thinker  run

I'll be honest, I'm getting a bit defensive over this too. I don't support the comments that try to "expose" other artists for not writing their songs but this is a little different. Gaga did, by all definitions but Linda's, co-write TIHTY. This is one woman's opinion. I'm sure you already know that though...

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I just hope that this incident won't affect Gaga's chances of winning the Oscar  

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8 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Which is worse, a song writer calling out a peer for taking too much credit on a specific song, or a pop star winning awards and making a profit from a song about rape the year after collaborating and furthering the careers of two known rapists? Hmm..who has more artistic integrity...Gaga or Linda Perry? 

Oh god you went there

Definitely an interesting point though, though we both know it'll be ignored in favor of calling you a hater and being done with it (which would be ironic since the majority on this forum loathes Terry for being a pervert/rapist).

The making a profit thing nails it (to use an inappropriate metaphor) too imo. It always confused me that only a "portion" (what does that even mean) of the song's proceeds would go to charity. It makes the whole "thank you millionaires who organize award shows for shining light on an important cause while I get all the praise" narrative a bit ugly to me, especially when she said she didn't want to be the face of this issue. We all see how this fanbase is handling her nominations: no one cares about what the song represents, everyone just wants to use her Oscar nom/win to brag about how much of a better artist she is (specifically to negate the worth of other artists, incl. Linda's judging from this thread).

Anyway, I'm not sure how I feel about it. But I appreciate the guts of a fellow "hater" to point it out in this particular thread It's an important subject.

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Another pressed Perry about Gaga 

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Just now, Didymus said:

Well, I agree that she contributed in writing, but then again, I also agree that Beyoncé deserves a writing credit for creating her own desired finished product out of the work of other songwriters (= Diane/Gaga's collaboration to me), yet I'm sure the majority of the forum wouldn't agree with me there, which is why I'm pointing out the entertaining double standard (that was just a passing remark though, I think the first half of my original post was more important lmfao).

So anyway, let me rephrase: she deserves the writing credit and Linda is being a mess for using her Twitter account to spread this **** (esp. when Linda's obviously ok with it). I just see a double standard that's entertaining to me, but that doesn't mean Linda's move here is praiseworthy.

Gaga writes most if not all of her songs, that's why she's known for her songwriting ability. This is a song for a movie, which Diane is more experienced at doing, not to mention that Gaga produced the entire song. I don't find it fair to compare Gaga to katy and bey just because of one song, while most of the twos discography is based on changing a word or two. Not to mention that Gaga produced and composed the entire song, his might be the song that Gaga put the least effort on, when compared to her other songs, but if you compare to Katy and bey, well you know what I mean.

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I honestly hope Gaga hasn't been telling half truth about this song. Cause there's too many lies, half-lies etc. And it should stop. But i believe in her skills, she could have totally wrote that song, i see no reason she wouldn't been able to do so. And i have a tough time imagining she did nothing more than add a few words to it..

This is just nasty, she had a whole year to bring them down, if she wanted to expose, wth is there to expose. But no..let's wait for them to get an Oscar.

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8 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Which is worse, a song writer calling out a peer for taking too much credit on a specific song, or a pop star winning awards and making a profit from a song about rape the year after collaborating and furthering the careers of two known rapists? Hmm..who has more artistic integrity...Gaga or Linda Perry? 

Jesus Christ...you definitely win the Worst Little Monster award

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29 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

Which is worse, a song writer calling out a peer for taking too much credit on a specific song, 

But this is not "calling-out" for the better of a songwriter. The song was released literally months ago, and she didn't speak out until now? The Oscar nominations were released a couple of days ago and all of sudden she feels like she is compelled to call out Gaga? Why not call her out since the beginning instead of just now? 

 

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Linda Monsters VS. Little Monsters is the new Roar VS. Applause. 

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10 minutes ago, SKANK said:

Which is worse, a song writer calling out a peer for taking too much credit on a specific song, or a pop star winning awards and making a profit from a song about rape the year after collaborating and furthering the careers of two known rapists? Hmm..who has more artistic integrity...Gaga or Linda Perry? 

 

Wow. Are you the alpha and omega? Allegations against Terry Richardson wasn't even confirmed by the court. It's easy to judge eachother.

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Aren't Linda Perry and Miley Cyrus best friends now or something? I wonder if that might have anything to do with it?

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2 minutes ago, gag said:

Linda Monsters VS. Little Monsters is the new Roar VS. Applause. 

Of course. Gaga lives for the Applause, we live for the drama.

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The only thing I regrets that Gaga sung a song of that huge pile of trash

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Why are certain people in this thread trying to involve other pop girls? Gaga writes all of her songs and her credibility remains intact. Just because she wasn't the main lyricist on this one song only doesn't change the fact that she played a huge part in its fruition. She's deserves a songwriting credit because it was a collaborative effort. She didn't just show up and say, "Hey Diane! We're going to claim this song was written solely by me! You didn't write anything! Good day!"

Popstars like Beyoncé go through this situation with every album which is exactly why her songwriting credits are usually undermined and scrutinized. The comparison is moot. 

If Linda wanted to say Gaga didn't write the song she could have easily said something along the lines of, "Gaga wasn't the main lyricist… Diane was."

That's all. But she had to go tweet a storm about Gaga's credibility which will make her chances of winning the Oscar lower. She has an agenda and it seems some "fans" in this thread do too. 

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1 minute ago, Al-Waleed Al-Isaii said:

Gaga writes most if not all of her songs, that's why she's known for her songwriting ability. This is a song for a movie, which Diane is more experienced at doing, not to mention that Gaga produced the entire song. I don't find it fair to compare Gaga to katy and bey just because of one song, while most of the twos discography is based on changing a word or two. Not to mention that Gaga produced and composed the entire song, his might be the song that Gaga put the least effort on, when compared to her other songs, but if you compare to Katy and bey, well you know what I mean.

Well, I always thought the producer credit was more appropriate for TIHTY. I mean, she's credited as the main writer. That's just wrong even if you agree that she deserved a co-writing credit.

And I find the comparison perfectly accurate, especially when we know that Katy and Beyoncé don't just "change a word or two" It's that kind of biased judgments that makes this thread so stupid. Sia confirmed this year that Beyoncé decides exactly what's gonna make it on the album, up to every single instrumental element. She may not write it, but it's her vision we hear. Katy's also very hands-on in the studio, as Sia also re-confirmed this year, so your bias is quite clear.

I'm not saying Katy and Beyoncé are songwriters, I'm just saying that if their co-writing credits are undeserved according to the forum, then in the case of TIHTY, Gaga's is too, no matter how many songs she wrote on her own.

Important to repeat though ( ): I think both Gaga's and Bey's/Katy's co-writing credits are absolutely fine. To me it's one or the other: they either deserve the credits or none of them do. I'm just stating that this forum makes an awkward and embarrassing distinction for no reason.