MonsterOfSpain 8,318 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Excuse me but she's never dropped quality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Benji said: There's so much to get through here eek She's always given off the impression of being in control at that current point in time without letting much slip about any issues behind set until that time has passed. I meant in general though, it's quite easy to look back on and rationalise issues when you're not living in the effects of them. She was bound to be aware at the time as well, but could she come out and say "This isn't me" because as you say, to say anything else other than "this is my best etc." would be career suicide. Oh 100% agreed. I even said that last part a few pages back to someone. I just thought the "you thought you were expressing yourself perfectly" thing was taking it too far, especially since she didn't even want to write at her piano because she knew, in the moment, that it would confront her with questions she couldn't face at that time. I just thought PoshLife brought an interesting perspective: how are the fans supposed to deal with this? I mean, Gaga's Billboard statement about how the ups and downs are all necessary for her to get epiphanies about herself is all peachy, but I thought PoshLife had a point when he said: what are we supposed to do with that information? Gaga is the only one benefiting, we're kept in the dark and asked to support a product that Gaga herself seems to identify as inferior (and I state that she identified it as such throughout both era's simply because of the statements she made since the end of 2013). Add to that that she seems to be taking a lot of distance from the fans and I can totally see why someone would feel.. played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnglerfishbraBENUS 5,734 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Guys this topic isn't about quality of her song writing. It's about the literal quality of the songs and vocals and sound. Compare any vocals on Born This Way to 'I Want Your Love' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, whipopotamus said: Guys this topic isn't about quality of her song writing. It's about the literal quality of the songs and vocals and sound. Compare any vocals on Born This Way to 'I Want Your Love' Well, no, it's not about that either, actually. Though I agree that her vocals on BTW were laughably bad in terms of production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustYouandI 2,483 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I think is important to remember that she doesn't see her albums the way we do. For us is the music, the visuals, the performances.... But for her is all that plus the making of it, the struggles, the memories attached to them and all she had to endure behind the scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,817 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Didymus said: The fact that she didn't want to be anywhere near her main writing device is proof that she knew exactly what was going on but kept following the direction she thought people needed from her (also implied in both interviews). To me, it seems that the shattering of the latter idea is really what allowed her to break free at all. Of course she tried to bring what everyone wanted from her, all she wanted was please her fanbase with AP after she had to cancel the BTWball because of her hip injury. She wanted "to be the queen we need her to be" so to speak. And I think it's really nice that Gaga is so giving as a person, she wanted the AP era to do well to make us happy, but sadly it didn't work out. (She really should have shot a second video for DWUW, even if a basic video like TEOG, but whatever). If you think about it being the Queen means being the head bitch, dominating, which she didn't manage to do. ARTPOP is a failed mission in that sense because of it's commercial underperformance + constant media lashings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlopSlut 1,190 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I LOVE all her albums but ARTPOP and BTW are my fave Flopenstein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, whipopotamus said: Guys this topic isn't about quality of her song writing. It's about the literal quality of the songs and vocals and sound. Compare any vocals on Born This Way to 'I Want Your Love' Born this way has incredible vocals as an album imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Well, she'll go back to ha roots, so... "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Didymus said: Oh 100% agreed. I even said that last part a few pages back to someone. I just thought the "you thought you were expressing yourself perfectly" thing was taking it too far, especially since she didn't even want to write at her piano because she knew, in the moment, that it would confront her with questions she couldn't face at that time. I just thought PoshLife brought an interesting perspective: how are the fans supposed to deal with this? I mean, Gaga's Billboard statement about how the ups and downs are all necessary for her to get epiphanies about herself is all peachy, but I thought PoshLife had a point when he said: what are we supposed to do with that information? Gaga is the only one benefiting, we're kept in the dark and asked to support a product that Gaga herself seems to identify as inferior (and I state that she identified it as such throughout both era's simply because of the statements she made since the end of 2013). Add to that that she seems to be taking a lot of distance from the fans and I can totally see why someone would feel.. played. I meant that more in conjunction with the latter point about the tweet, it kind of applies to Gaga in some circumstances (Like the almost self-loathing introduction to Bad Romance at the artRAVE) but it wasn't really meant to be taken as a blanket statement about Gaga. It's true, but what can we do? It's easy to take what she has said onboard and think "So you've been lying to us? This isn't your greatest work? I'm not interested then" when in reality, her being pushed by her label was the best thing for us. If she wasn't pushed to release Born This Way , would you like it more? Would I like it less? There's no way to really tell, the only thing we know is that Gaga would supposedly have enjoyed making it more. Do What U Want came late in the process of ARTPOP's creation... if she wasn't pushed to write a bulk of songs quickly, would we even have it? I understand the feeling that we've been somewhat duped, but all we can do in our position is decide whether we want to be open to what we receive or not. Gaga could turn around tomorrow and completely contradict what she said in this interview, it wouldn't be the first time and it will almost definitely not be the last. I'm aware Gaga was somewhat unhappy when she was creating Born This Way, but I'll never forget the smile she had when she said at my Born This Way ball about how her label tried to stop her releasing the album because it's for a niche, and she said "This is a big f*cking niche." You take what you take with Gaga. I believe her when she says she wasn't happy in the creation of said albums but was she truly happy with The Fame (Monster) too? She was supposedly drinking more and had a fixation with cocaine... is that happiness? I don't know, she's interesting but frustrating to analyse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, MonsterOfSpain said: Excuse me but she's never dropped quality 1 hour ago, MonsterOfSpain said: Excuse me but she's never dropped quality 1 hour ago, MonsterOfSpain said: Excuse me but she's never dropped quality 1 hour ago, MonsterOfSpain said: Excuse me but she's never dropped quality 1 hour ago, MonsterOfSpain said: Excuse me but she's never dropped quality Not when Jewels N Drugs exists. "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 15,890 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 BTW was her step back from generic pop subjects, AP was her attempt at it again and well... BTW is still her most quality and unusual album and I live for it. As for RUSHING sis she has 2 damn years, she worked on BTW for the whole time and did ARTPOP 2-3 times over as far as we're aware. AP was received badly because of the sales drop between BTW's first week and AP's. Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati 15,921 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Didymus said: That's not what she means though. She's talking about being creatively rushed: she wasn't happy or healthy (I'm guessing emotionally, but for ARTPOP the physical definitely applies too) and in that state she couldn't make her best stuff. Doesn't matter how long you have, if you don't get the time and space and care from the people around you to let go of the industry train, I can imagine that you can't get into a zone where you can genuinely create. initially though she was almost sure that this is her best material yet and that she was supposedly afraid she might would never be able to top that. lol. ARTPOP underperformed but she did it just the way she wanted it to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dramatica 13,690 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 hour ago, MonsterOfSpain said: Excuse me but she's never dropped quality Have you ever heard of Jewels n' Drugs? I didn't ask for a free ride, I only asked you to show me a real good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E24187 615 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 it feels like we had this discussion during the ARTPOP pre-era. Like we all talked about the failures of Born This Way (quality, being rushed, etc.) and how ARTPOP was going to rectify everything. Now that we're in the next era, we've replaced Born This Way with ARTPOP and ARTPOP with "LG5." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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