Benji 20,113 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, PopBitch said: Sometimes too much time is a bad idea. The Beatles used to put out two albums a year. Most rock artists back in the day an album a year. Sometimes I think because nowadays artists wait much longer, there ends up being more pressure on the artist on it being brilliant because they are much farther apart. I wish artists would return to shorter but more frequent releases. Getting ten (pretty standard rock/pop LP length in the past) new tracks a year would seriously beat waiting years to then hear what is the supposed "best" of that entire time to end up disappointed. I think ARTPOP is the best example of that considering there was supposedly like 50 tracks drafted and we ended up with some of those less than great tracks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Isn't the stretch between albums because of so much long touring nowadays? Can't think of any other difference between now and previous decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Didymus said: Isn't the stretch between albums because of so much long touring nowadays? Can't think of any other difference between now and previous decades. I'm sure tour expectations have an effect. I could be wrong as it isn't something I've exactly extensively looked into, but flying bands and equipment around wasn't always cost and time effective so there was no point in flying a band around the world with every album as there was little money to gain opposed to releasing new material. You'd only get a show if there was a real promotional opportunity. Another reason including money is the fact how we get hold of music has changed. The money is all in touring and bookings now, you just need material that people will want to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman 189 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Hard to see how Gaga would be sitting there saying it took 8 years to be in a position of control without ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, deeman said: Hard to see how Gaga would be sitting there saying it took 8 years to be in a position of control without ARTPOP. You mean that because of the meltdown that ARTPOP provided, she had a chance of taking control completely? Or you mean that if ARTPOP had never happened (as in: the commercial and critical backlash or rather, disinterest) she would never have said all this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasi 10,923 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 20 minutes ago, Imperial POP said: Hate to break it to you, but ARTPOP flopped for a reason. TFM is her most successful album for a reason. Your opinion means less. You're joking right? How can you base the validity of someone's opinion on the success of an album? So many people here are so quick to defend BTW/TFM/TF cause it's their beloved album. But if people defend ARTPOP, they're labeled "delusional". Is anyone else seeing the problem here? I'm not saying that you can't defend BTW or any of her albums because they're all brilliant pieces of work. But what constantly irks me is how the opinion of members are put down and dismissed just because the album that they hold close may not have been as successful as previous ones. I loved ARTPOP, so does that make my point of view worth nothing now? I'm genuinely curious. I don't understand pineapples, so I don't eat bananas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman 189 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Didymus said: You mean that because of the meltdown that ARTPOP provided, she had a chance of taking control completely? Or you mean that if ARTPOP had never happened (as in: the commercial and critical backlash or rather, disinterest) she would never have said all this? I just don't see how 8 years squares with the first two albums being made under ideal conditions. there is a bit of contradiction there. I really would have to listen to the interview again but there is no denying that ARTPOP has been part of her journey and a more recent part and if that has lead her to a better place then it can't be all that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miky 9,491 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 44 minutes ago, Benji said: considering Hair was released "incomplete" what? details pls? Too many people here with moral superiority complex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illuminati 15,921 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 yea ARTPOP was definitely rushed, certainly not released after her longest break yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miky 9,491 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I think the better word is "pressured" than "rushed" - she had enough time I think for all the albums, it's just that there was pressure in terms of being GP-friendly. Too many people here with moral superiority complex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, BlTCH said: yea ARTPOP was definitely rushed, certainly not released after her longest break yet That's not what she means though. She's talking about being creatively rushed: she wasn't happy or healthy (I'm guessing emotionally, but for ARTPOP the physical definitely applies too) and in that state she couldn't make her best stuff. Doesn't matter how long you have, if you don't get the time and space and care from the people around you to let go of the industry train, I can imagine that you can't get into a zone where you can genuinely create. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The music will tell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Miky said: I think the better word is "pressured" than "rushed" - she had enough time I think for all the albums, it's just that there was pressure in terms of being GP-friendly. Read the quote on top though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,817 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 This is like the most interesting thread on this site in forever Yay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Miky said: what? details pls? Listen to the promotional single release and then the album version, there's quite a difference in the effects applied to her voice and differences in synths. I personally prefer the promotional single version but it's a lot more thrown together than the final release! 3 minutes ago, BlTCH said: yea ARTPOP was definitely rushed, certainly not released after her longest break yet I don't know if it'll help, but I made a rough outline of the making of ARTPOP that breaks down the stages in another thread - "1) Gaga starts writing and working on the "next one" close to Born This Way's release. 2) At the end of the Born This Way era, she already has a few songs, a concept and has began writing for that concept. 3) ARTPOP is completed as a rough draft early in the BTWBall. 4) Label dislikes the album and rejects it as a body of work. 5) Gaga continues to work on the album throughout the BTWBall and as well as original direction, she starts making more poppy songs and "fun" songs that blur genres. 6) Label dislikes direction again and demands it to be more pop orientated 7) Gaga begins toying with idea of making two albums, one being the pop album that is demanded and one that is more adventurous. This is the point she begins writing over beats. 8) - Time passes - 9) Hip injury worsens and she is out of commission with neither albums completed. 10) Gaga is rushed back into working to create ONE album to hit set deadlines and is forced to focus on pop release. 11) ARTPOP (pop album) is accepted as a release the label will back and Gaga continues to work on it until release." http://gagadaily.com/forums/topic/173286-gaga-talks-new-album-with-v-magazine/?do=findComment&comment=7322395 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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