Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just now, ashamednudist said: these are her best songs actually not here for you streching her words to said born this way is bad( which is not because it's clearly well executed +not saying ARTPOP is bad but it's rushed and -strangely- polished also) Well, I disagree I didn't say BTW is bad.. in fact, in my post I said that Gaga doesn't think the album is bad, just that it wasn't up to her abilities (which she literally admits, I mean, there's no other way you can interpret that, sorry). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 It's probably by biasses talking, but I'm unsure whether she is talking about Born This Way. Yes, she classes The Fame Monster as an album but if my memory serves me correctly, she was rushed in it's creation? There was so much going on between the tail end of The Fame and the Fame Ball that's it's almost impossible for there to not have been a huge pressure on her writing it because it was all very planned, including a collaborative tour with Kanye? Although, she was evidently rushed with Born This Way considering Hair was released "incomplete" and she was still spending lots of time in recording studios running up to the release and she even posted a picture of the album being "completed" after Judas and the album artwork came out. Regardless, this sounds really promising. I may hold Born This Way highly as it means a lot to me but there's no denying her most appreciated works are The Fame and The Fame Monster and the fact she feels like she's back in that mindset is really promising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Saying she was pressed for time and feels she could have done better is not the same as "dragging" to the point of not liking something. People should't take what she says to extremes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just now, Benji said: It's probably by biasses talking, but I'm unsure whether she is talking about Born This Way. Yes, she classes The Fame Monster as an album but if my memory serves me correctly, she was rushed in it's creation? She actually said (in 2009) she just recorded the songs on tour for fun, not really thinking too much about writing a new album. Interscope heard the tracks she recorded and were convinced that they were enough to release a new album (later of course they changed that into a re-release idea, which Gaga tried to stop). BTW was also written and recorded on tour but I think that this is probably when the fatigue and rushing was already weighing her down. I mean, her schedule was A MESS. I think the story she tells now is pretty believable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagadonna 10,801 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I am strongly sure it will be her best album to date. She has learned from her mistakes during ARTPOP and even Born this way, she has earned impressive vocal abilities with Cheek to cheek, she is well surrounded, so I know it will be something of quality. I don't know if it gives an answer to your question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter 3,640 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Didymus said: Obviously she just lied. What was she supposed to say? "Yeah, well, this album really isn't as good as I could make it, but.. got no time! Anyway, it's in stores now, enjoy it!" Hiding the truth is not a lie. I mean she could have said that she loves her new album (that would be actually true since she wrote it) and that she has many favorite songs etc but saying that it's her best work so far and it will be difficult for her to write something better is a huge lie (if she didn't feel that way). Now, if that statement was really true and she changed her mind after ARTPOP flopped, that's even worse since she hasn't the guts to admit that you know what people.. even if it flopped I still consider this album my best record ever no matter what the commercial and the critical reception was so go **** yourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sizzily 14,543 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 53 minutes ago, Imperial POP said: She's completely right. BTW and ARTPOP are step backs from her first two albums. Especially ARTPOP. Nothing she has done has ever come remotely close in terms of quality to her second album; The Fame Monster. She's finally seeing the light MTE. She was on the road when she recorded BTW and didn't something happened in early 2013 where she changed the direction of ARTPOP? They were definitely rushed. But last year, the most she was doing was AHS and C2C touring and she had time to settle on what she wanted to record and who to record with. I hopeful. Tears in the rain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West 1,676 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, Gohan said: Sorry, but LMAO If you so called TFM fans ™ overrate The Fame Monster as much as the ARTPOP fans, let me tell you both that you all are entitled to their own opinions and nobody holds the truth or the best statement ever. It's just an opinion. I personally love all of her albums with the same passion, even when I lived all of her eras everyday as they were being developed/launched. Hate to break it to you, but ARTPOP flopped for a reason. TFM is her most successful album for a reason. Your opinion means less. KANYEWEST.COM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bitter said: Hiding the truth is not a lie. I mean she could have said that she loves her new album (that would be actually true since she wrote it) and that she has many favorite songs etc but saying that it's her best work so far and it will be difficult for her to write something better is a huge lie (if she didn't feel that way). Now, if that statement was really true and she changed her mind after ARTPOP flopped, that's even worse since she hasn't the guts to admit that you know what people.. even if it flopped I still consider this album my best record ever no matter what the commercial and the critical reception was so go **** yourselves. Well, she was just plainly contradicting herself the whole time. She also said, right when the album was released I think, that she still hadn't shown all of her talents (in a musical sense). A little bit down the era she also said that she didn't even know yet what her art could be and that she considered herself more as a student than an artist. So that would directly negate the "hard to top it" comment earlier, especially when you think she literally said that every song on the released album was "designed to be a radio hit" Those are pretty much four contradictions in the course of a few months about the very same thing. On the other hand, she did defend ARTPOP (not in the way you said of course, as her best album) after it didn't do well, multiple times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashamednudist 164 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 9 minutes ago, Didymus said: Well, I disagree I didn't say BTW is bad.. in fact, in my post I said that Gaga doesn't think the album is bad, just that it wasn't up to her abilities (which she literally admits, I mean, there's no other way you can interpret that, sorry). well here is the thing like -everyone in the world who are passionate enough- thinks they can always do better , so that's what it is. but you clearly doesn't like that album if you think that's songs are bad, you doesn't have to say btw is bad it's pretty obvious. This whole thread looks biased to me, actually, especially the title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 This is one of the reasons why I think that Gaga shouldn't go to her fans for approval. Her fans keep rushing and putting these thoughts in her head on when to do something, and Gaga just needs time to rest and collect her thoughts spiritually and to enjoy life, and to be and get inspired and then she could release the best album she can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Just now, Didymus said: She actually said (in 2009) she just recorded the songs on tour for fun, not really thinking too much about writing a new album. Interscope heard the tracks she recorded and were convinced that they were enough to release a new album (later of course they changed that into a re-release idea, which Gaga tried to stop). BTW was also written and recorded on tour but I think that this is probably when the fatigue and rushing was already weighing her down. I mean, her schedule was A MESS. I think the story she tells now is pretty believable. Ahh okay! My memory is faulty, I can remember Gaga wasn't happy about a re-release though Yeah, she was in a major rush for Born This Way. There's so many little details that point to the actual rush around her like the fact the lyrics in the album booklet are an absolute mess. I think the biggest issue with Born This Way was that it wasn't all revised by just one producer before it was finalised so the whole thing could have been produced more cleanly but it's odd, I like the messiness and cheesiness of it. It's abrasively big and camp, and you can't say anything (at that time and future) sounds anything like that album, make of that what you may Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, ashamednudist said: well here is the thing like -everyone in the world who are passionate enough- thinks they can always do better , so that's what it is. but you clearly doesn't like that album if you think that's songs are bad, you doesn't have to say btw is bad it's pretty obvious. This whole thread looks biased to me, actually, especially the title But then why didn't she just say that? Why did she refer explicitly to TF and TFM as examples of when she is healthy and happy to write music, and "pulling the gold"? I don't like the album, but I love various songs on it (like I said in that other post: talk about reading in a biased away) and I never criticized it as a whole. It's not a bad album. But it's just not up to her abilities, which is exactly what she's saying here and I think she's saying it unambiguously. I mean, biased.. have you listened to the interview? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopBitch 1,218 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Cool Machine said: This is one of the reasons why I think that Gaga shouldn't go to her fans for approval. Her fans keep rushing and putting these thoughts in her head on when to do something, and Gaga just needs time to rest and collect her thoughts spiritually and to enjoy life, and to be and get inspired and then she could release the best album she can. Sometimes too much time is a bad idea. The Beatles used to put out two albums a year. Most rock artists back in the day an album a year. Sometimes I think because nowadays artists wait much longer, there ends up being more pressure on the artist on it being brilliant because they are much farther apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter 3,640 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Didymus said: Well, she was just plainly contradicting herself the whole time. She also said, right when the album was released I think, that she still hadn't shown all of her talents. So that would directly negate the "hard to top it" comment earlier, especially when you think she literally said that every song on the released album was "designed to be a radio hit" On the other hand, she did defend ARTPOP (not in the way you said of course, as her best album) after it didn't do well, multiple times. When it's all said and done tho she gives the gold medal to her first two records so apparently ARTPOP is not her best one (according to her). Anyway, i'm so tired of that kind of BS from her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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