LG5: The return to quality?

[giskardsb 12,565]

I have a different idea of "Quality" when it comes to Gaga's music than many here I guess.  Pop fans seem to like clean, crispy production and lyrics that are not particular personal.   When I listen to The Fame, what I hear is a shiny glossy pop album that has very little life to it.   When I hear BTW, I hear some flaws yes ( no Gaga album is perfect) but I hear an overwhelming amount of life and vitality, which I respond to much more.   The Fame to me sounds like a product, but BTW sounds like a personal artist statement.

 

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[Kanye West 1,676]

1 hour ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

 Not you criticising Didy for being offtopic when he provided 60% of the posts in the thread, and adding valuable thought-provoking discussion. Your contribution, on the other hand, consists of discrediting other forum members' opinions just because they happen to value more an album that you dislike, and you validate your opinion as "more right" based on success.  That's really interesting... I remember your threads from the last couple of weeks about Telephone and TFM, and your self-assertiveness and attitude make it impossible to be willing to share some thoughts. 

Your display name is "Son of ARTPOP". Is there really anything more to say?

[Lord Temptation 11,209]

I never answer a loaded question. Lady Gaga IS quality. Take it or leave it.

[Katsuki Bakugo 9,788]

Its her own work so its not shade it's reflection on her past and how she can do better. Simple as that. 

[DiscoHeaven23 35,007]

As much as people like to drag Christina, I think Christina always puts out quality music and she takes her time with it. Three years between her first and second album. Four years between her second and third album and four years between her third and fourth album (yes, Bionic was quality and quite creative).

So that's the first thing that came to mind when I read this and I'm happy to hear it. 

[deeman 189]

5 hours ago, gagzus said:

AP was received badly because of the sales drop between BTW's first week and AP's. Period.

Come on now. What do you mean it was received badly? All you need to do is just buy what ever is number one and you will get the best so why not just go and do that? Then you can be sure there is no sales drops and you like the best albums and best songs and don't need to feel like you like an artist whos stuff is received badly coz they didn't sell as many copies as last time. You know your going to be doomed otherwise coz it is kind of inevetable that the next album at some point is going to sell less than the one before and so your going to be liking an artist whos work is received badly because of a sales reduction. Periodically you can just check what is going up in the charts so you know what sort of music is good. Definately not that Jazz album that was a massive flop that was received terribly just look at how pathetic the sales were compared with BTW or AP even or what about tihty that song was received terribly it didn't make no moneys compared with BTW and they even gave some too charity. GAGA is such a flopy flop flop flopper flop keeps on flopping she did it again tihty flopped.

[Alfonso 1,547]

I think all her albums have quality and that the difference this time is how she's working on it, her surroundings, emotions, freedom and control over her work 

[PaperIz 7,344]

Born This Way is an epic, timeless record. It's perfect. I adore ARTPOP so much but it has lost a lot of replay value for me. I'd much rather listen to Cheek to Cheek now when my friends suggest putting Gaga on lol. I think I overplayed ARTPOP but I think it's a bit harsh with it's sound, it's not very soothing which is admittedly a fault with BTW as well. I'm hoping with her new record, it feels effortless and poppy and won't give me a headache  

[Judas Oyster 1,914]

10 hours ago, Didymus said:

"I give it all every time when I'm healthy. When I'm not healthy, when I'm not happy, I can't.. I literally can't, it's like an athlete in the Olympics. You know, if you don't let them train, they can't.. can't pull the gold. I need the time. [...] I'll call you when I'm done. And that's how I did my first record. And my second record."

(Source - 54:00)

Isn't this a curious statement?

I for one am thrilled about this interview because it proved something to me that I thought for a long time: this girl is rushed to death (and I started to think that when BTW, the single, was released while she was still touring for TFM and ever since, up to 2014) ànd it's affecting her music.

Now, what does this mean:

- TF and TFM are, according to Gaga, outcomes of her "pulling her gold"
- BTW and ARTPOP were not just rushed, but also subpar to her own capabilities
- LG5 will be a return to an unrushed state of mind, producing her third "golden metal"

We all know that many members here enjoy it when she "drags" ARTPOP but how do people feel about her not including BTW among her best works/era's? I think it's clear by now that Gaga loves both projects but that she's not satisfied with them simply because she wasn't in the right state of mind to even write music (something she literally stated in the Billboard interview).

Discuss anything related to what I said

Are we sure she doesn't see BTW as her second album when she's talking about that? I know it's a sensitive topic in here, but BTW was too good to be rushed? But okey, maybe, since she made songs on tour... 

Very interesting indeed. I need to listen to this podcast then (urgh) I thought it was gonna be more about the film like that talk in that university :P

[Judas Oyster 1,914]

9 hours ago, PopBitch said:

Sometimes too much time is a bad idea.   The Beatles used to put out two albums a year.  Most rock artists back in the day an album a year.

 

Sometimes I think because nowadays artists wait much longer, there ends up being more pressure on the artist on it being brilliant because they are much farther apart.

True, but at the same time you can't compare Gaga's sounds to The Beatles. I'm not talking about lyrics and vocals, I'm talking about production. I'm sorry simple rock/guitar, but your sounds aren't that special, it's most about emotions/passion and the vocals in their case :P 

You can somehow compare it to Pink Floyd for example. How many years did they have between their albums?

[Seeka 12,372]

I always believed Born This Way was rushed.

However, I doubt she believes that ARTPOP and Born This Way were her worst albums. She probably has good and bad things to say about all her albums. I can think similarly and give some examples but I'm too lazy to write them all out.

Though I do think she is very damn tired of singing Poker Face. I think she'll be truly happy when she drops Poker Face from her setlist.

 

[Warholian 6,880]

I don't really like BTW at all, but I do think she really is proud of it. She's even stated her greatest songs are on the album. I do think she's a little disappointed by ARTPOP, not because the music is of poor quality, but because she was messed up and in a bad state of being. 

She seems extremely stable and happy now, more than ever. I think that will dictate the quality of LG5. I'm sure the fan base will base their opinions on the album in if it's financially successful or not, though. That seems to be how it works, unfortunately. 

[Poope MOnster 1,446]

BTW is her best album !!

[Judas Oyster 1,914]

WHAT!? I just thought about something... It's late so maybe I'm just reaching...

"Free my mind, ARTPOP ------------ you make my heart stop"

I always thought she meant that while making ARTPOP, the album, she was creating exactly what she wanted to release...

BUT perhaps the result of the ARTPOP content as a whole album is a strategy to free herself? Let me explain. She wasn't totally happy/felt complete with those songs but since she was pressured to release something (once again) she just released what she had, to please the label/manager etc, because "YOU (label/the people pressuring her) make my heart stop". And heart as in free creativeness, bc those people were expecting something like PF or BR, and Gaga was smart enough to know that these people didn't know better and were just happy as long as they got some new tracks for an album (maybe that's why they couldn't decide on which singles would hit the charts too).

Like when she talked about her music videos being rushed up and stuff, and also you know, how our beloved DWUW video ended up being. She just gave them something that was incomplete and she wasn't satisfied at all. She fired her manager, or Troy maybe didn't even care more for her creative process anymore either... And NOW she is FREE (Free my mind, ARTPOP). With a new manager and doing whatever she wants to do. Maybe the whole C2C era was also a way to make both Gaga and management satisfied? She got new content out but she didn't even move her pen (or writing machine) for those songs, so she got a lot more extra time to write LG5 songs all along. While the management was happy bc she brought in cash and stuff.

I mean, as an artist I think she is happy with everything she releases. I don't think she dislikes ARTPOP for example. It's just the emotion around it, just like Telephone the song. She knows and accepts that she could have done it better if she was able to be freely creative, and having the time she needs to find her creative self again. It's not like making food which can take some time. She wants to make a dish/recipe that doesn't exist, and that can take a whole lot of time, you can't put a time frame to that, you just have to experiment, and if someone keeps pushing you to make something... well, you make something to not get fired, but it doesn't mean you are happy bc it wasn't what you truly wanted to make. Now it seems like it's the right time for her.

 

I'm sorry for a messy post but that was difficult to put words to. Maybe you'll understand what I'm trying to say  And as some already have said here, maybe she's talking about this, that with TF and TFM was "gold" bc it was pure in a free creative sense. Perhaps that's what she's saying about going back to her "old self". Omg I'm really excited about LG5 now and what type of dish she's gonna serve us this time